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Angela from Housing

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billysboy · 09/02/2025 12:18

Ainu to think Angela Rayners has been set up to fail on her 1.5m homes target ?
you can barely get planning permission through for a small extension in under 10 weeks let alone 1.5 m new homes
Every month that goes by the shortage compounds
I wonder if Kier has set her up to fail

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EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 09:42

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 09:39

'budget measures are acting as brakes on hiring'

Why was this not screamingly obvious to the government and the treasury? Yet they plough on regardless!

It's madness. Starmer, Reeves and all of Labour are entirely clueless on this.

They'll prop each other up as it gets worse.

Sunak knew cause and effect hence the speech. Some others did too, including on here

Labour won't see it until the public sector follows

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 09:43

Ok, @TheNuthatch - but genuinely, how could you both donate to Ukraine and give a vote to Farage whose position on Putin is that Europe provoked him to invade a sovereign state?

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 09:45

twistyizzy · 10/02/2025 09:39

The only people who don't get this are Labour + their die hard supporters.

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What scares me is I think they do get it, but they are so entrenched in their ideology they see the damage as worth it.
I have skin in the game in construction, so I know for a fact that these measures are also hurting the industry that AR needs to build houses. Crazy times.

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 09:45

nearlylovemyusername · 09/02/2025 23:21

@LostittoBostik

I think you're missing the point - a few posters here, myself incl, are trying to say that Reform is rising now because people who hoped that Labour can turn the country around after Tory failure are beginning to see how incompetent and ruinous Labour are. That instead of getting better, or at least seeing the light at the end of tunnel, the situation is becoming much worse very quickly with unemployment and inflation both rising.

So having tried both Tory and now Labour, disillusioned public is turning to Reform. This speed of this is amplified by Musk's intervention and no doubt putin's funding as well. I think most posters here arguing against Labour are terrified of prospect of Reform. They are welcome to confirm.

By calling us CPHQ or Putin's bots (oh irony of it, if you could only know how much money I donated to Ukraine) you're failing to understand these points and actually contradicting your own point about democracy.

How can you possibly judge? It's been a handful of months? Of course things are getting worse - the policies are barely in place yet. What you're basically saying is you don't like the cut of Starmer's jib. Which is fine - you're entitled to that view, as are those switching to reform. But you can't honestly say that they've proved themselves one way or another until the end of a parliamentary term.

Parsley1234 · 10/02/2025 09:46

It’s so so depressing I have several wealthy friends who have left are leaving as are their friends. I’ve been in business 30 years no hiring of anyone anymore putting the brakes on more like a total stop no movement anywhere except in the public sector 318 jobs created each day since labour came in. I can’t decide whether they are arrogant or stupid probably both because it sure as hell isn’t faster and better

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 09:46

@Jossjt No the exact opposite - I'm pointing out that's what the OP I quoted is suggesting

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 09:47

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 09:43

Ok, @TheNuthatch - but genuinely, how could you both donate to Ukraine and give a vote to Farage whose position on Putin is that Europe provoked him to invade a sovereign state?

I haven't voted for Farage, or donated to Ukraine. Did you quote the wrong pp, or are you asking for my theoretical opinion?

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 09:48

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 09:45

How can you possibly judge? It's been a handful of months? Of course things are getting worse - the policies are barely in place yet. What you're basically saying is you don't like the cut of Starmer's jib. Which is fine - you're entitled to that view, as are those switching to reform. But you can't honestly say that they've proved themselves one way or another until the end of a parliamentary term.

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It's been a handful of months? Of course things are getting worse - the policies are barely in place yet.

Why is going for the private sector and having a negative impact on jobs a good thing? And doing that so quickly isn't a positive.

This is due to Labour's budget and policies. Did you read the post with the FT quote outlining the issue?

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 09:51

Parsley1234 · 09/02/2025 23:06

@LostittoBostik nobody strong enough mind you after seeing Zia Yussef on newsnight a few weeks ago I was seriously impressed. So if he’s going to be the leader of reform the tories are in big trouble

He's an interesting figure - the profile of him on R4 with Nick Robinson is worth a listen

The problem Refom has is that its base has an issue with him. The obvious one (on the show they discussed the people who had written in resign membership due to his appointments). But he could lead to rapid growth at the expense of the base, and he also has been on a left to right journey so could connect with disappointed Labour voters.

So what will Farage do with him?

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 09:51

twistyizzy · 10/02/2025 09:42

Because it is ideology over anything else. They have nothing other than ideology. They are fuelled by revenge (pensioners, farmers + independent schools). It's utterly disgraceful that after having 14 years to plan for this, they don't have a plan.

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Yes I thought Labour would be bad, just not this bad!

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 09:55

nearlylovemyusername · 09/02/2025 23:21

@LostittoBostik

I think you're missing the point - a few posters here, myself incl, are trying to say that Reform is rising now because people who hoped that Labour can turn the country around after Tory failure are beginning to see how incompetent and ruinous Labour are. That instead of getting better, or at least seeing the light at the end of tunnel, the situation is becoming much worse very quickly with unemployment and inflation both rising.

So having tried both Tory and now Labour, disillusioned public is turning to Reform. This speed of this is amplified by Musk's intervention and no doubt putin's funding as well. I think most posters here arguing against Labour are terrified of prospect of Reform. They are welcome to confirm.

By calling us CPHQ or Putin's bots (oh irony of it, if you could only know how much money I donated to Ukraine) you're failing to understand these points and actually contradicting your own point about democracy.

I wasn't failing to understand it - I was sort of pointing it out. Maybe badly.

People aren't coming to their own conclusions about the reform platform based on their manifesto, they're being driven by Russo or SV-backed online propaganda.

I think it's a dangerous position to have our democracy and its voters manipulated dark money.

Parsley1234 · 10/02/2025 09:55

@LostittoBostik they have completely trashed the economy their unbelievably short sighted policies have killed any green shoots which we had when Sunak was out. Their uncosted un realistic policies are ideological and damaging to every single one in this country. Mad Ed is going for broke he shouldn’t even be in charge of a petrol pump let alone the money Reeves gave him last week Rayner pull up the ladder behind you Phillipson chippy Reeves put her deapth cooper sane Starmer well what can I say a total tool (makers son) who went to a fee paying school by luck !

twistyizzy · 10/02/2025 09:55

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 09:51

Yes I thought Labour would be bad, just not this bad!

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I mean those of us fighting against VAT on education had a good idea as we had experience of trying to engage with Phillipson during the election. Hence why I didn't vote Labour for first time in my life, I also now will never vote for them again after this lot!

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 09:57

What scares me is I think they do get it, but they are so entrenched in their ideology they see the damage as worth it.

I also think Starmer is tied up with Reeves, and she has bet the house on anti growth tax policies

If they admit she got it very wrong she goes, he goes. He really wants to not admit to that

nearlylovemyusername · 10/02/2025 10:00

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 09:45

How can you possibly judge? It's been a handful of months? Of course things are getting worse - the policies are barely in place yet. What you're basically saying is you don't like the cut of Starmer's jib. Which is fine - you're entitled to that view, as are those switching to reform. But you can't honestly say that they've proved themselves one way or another until the end of a parliamentary term.

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Gently - you seem to be very confused.

It's me who donated a lot (and I mean a lot) to Ukraine. I also said several times that I'm terrified of Reform and despise Labour because they pave way to Reform.

Seeing some comprehension issues here...

How can you possibly judge? It's been a handful of months? Of course things are getting worse - the policies are barely in place yet.

That's exactly the point - the policies have only been announced, not even kicked off yet but already causing major harm. Why would things be getting worse if policies were good??

Starmer & Co wear this "we're prepared to make unpopular decisions" as badge of honour believing that it shows how strong they are. Some of us are seeing this a plain stupidity - they made a mistake, or many mistakes already (go google AZN issues as one of many examples, another brilliant FT article last week), awful consequences are already here, so better to own it and revert, but no... They are prepared to be unpopular and so they're quickly becoming such

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 10:02

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 09:57

What scares me is I think they do get it, but they are so entrenched in their ideology they see the damage as worth it.

I also think Starmer is tied up with Reeves, and she has bet the house on anti growth tax policies

If they admit she got it very wrong she goes, he goes. He really wants to not admit to that

Agreed. Starmer is ruthless and will protect himself at any cost. Despite being First Lord of the Treasury, he will try and distance himself from Reeves when the time comes to save his own skin. I notice he's abroad a lot when there is bad news on the economy.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 10:04

I also think Labour do not understand what's happening.

They just can't catch on to why the jobs market is plummeting due to their policies. They can't think it through

Which is incredible for top two jobs in gov

twistyizzy · 10/02/2025 10:07

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 10:04

I also think Labour do not understand what's happening.

They just can't catch on to why the jobs market is plummeting due to their policies. They can't think it through

Which is incredible for top two jobs in gov

Cos it's just all the RW press isn't it? Nothing to do with Labour at all. RW press creating stories based on misinformation to derail wonderful Labour

notnorman · 10/02/2025 10:15

edwinbear · 09/02/2025 12:28

It was never going to happen. I work very closely with social housing providers, they are very keen to build more homes but they simply don’t have the funds to build that many. There has been no increase in grant funding, all their cash is going on remediation works to their existing stock - cladding, damp and ESG targets. They’ve also been absolutely floored by increases to NI and NMW. Most of them have reduced their development plans. There are also simply not enough construction workers.

I listened to someone explaining the same on radio 4. There's no way it can actually happen.

nearlylovemyusername · 10/02/2025 10:25

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 09:55

I wasn't failing to understand it - I was sort of pointing it out. Maybe badly.

People aren't coming to their own conclusions about the reform platform based on their manifesto, they're being driven by Russo or SV-backed online propaganda.

I think it's a dangerous position to have our democracy and its voters manipulated dark money.

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I agree with you on this point completely, about being manipulated by putin

But think about it - what was in his interest since he started the war? GTTO! again, Tory, BoJo and Truss in particular, were the strongest putin's opponents in Europe. So they are gone.

Last year Reform didn't get a chance so we have Labour, who are very neutral to putin, who crash economy big time and grow pro Reform sentiment in response to their failures. Putin will have a field day in next election here. Even if we win jackpot and Reform doesn't perform well, UK will be sort of irrelevant on world scene given major economic failures of this government.

Labour need to listen and pivot, and yes, make unpopular decisions, but not unpopular amongst businesses.

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 10:26

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 10/02/2025 09:45

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Well that's cheered me up Chard! It's not looking good is it!

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 10:28

We're gone past 'unpopular decisions' as much as it might still resonate with some of Labour

We're in a slow motion car crash to recession. It's about actually getting basic economics

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 10:30

twistyizzy · 10/02/2025 10:07

Cos it's just all the RW press isn't it? Nothing to do with Labour at all. RW press creating stories based on misinformation to derail wonderful Labour

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You forgot Musk, Trump and Brexit. Don't forget to blame them for the budget too

ServantsGonnaServe · 10/02/2025 10:31

As well as being misogynistic, it's just embarrassing. You sound like office funnyman who thinks everyone is laughing with you and not at you.

I'm getting secondhand embarrassment hearing adults repeating this rubbish.