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billysboy · 2025-02-09T12:18:15+00:00

Ainu to think Angela Rayners has been set up to fail on her 1.5m homes target ? you can barely get planning permission through for a small extension in under 10 weeks let alone 1.5 m new homes Every month that goes by the shortage compounds I wonder if Kier has set her up to fail

Williamclimbseverest · 09/02/2025 23:22

Parsley1234 · 09/02/2025 21:37

@LostittoBostik I don’t care when anyone is educated but when you hear the chippiness coming off the front bench it’s pretty obvious that they do. Phillipson and Reeves both felt less than at Oxford hence where this bile comes from Rayner was pregnant left school at 15 is now a grandmother at 41 is this really a good look for the front bench. Lammy thinking a man can grow a cervix Starmer gas lighting all the rioters it’s a bloody mess

Im Not a fan of her either and have never and will never vote labour but why pick at the age she became a mother?

Not nice or relevant just because someone becomes a young parent doesn't mean their life is over.

bemoresloth · 09/02/2025 23:22

Livelovebehappy · 09/02/2025 23:18

Literally lots of posters are implying she shouldn’t be called out due to her ‘chromosomes’.

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Are you applying the Dominic Raab description of misogyny?

TheNuthatch · 09/02/2025 23:40

nearlylovemyusername · 09/02/2025 23:21

@LostittoBostik

I think you're missing the point - a few posters here, myself incl, are trying to say that Reform is rising now because people who hoped that Labour can turn the country around after Tory failure are beginning to see how incompetent and ruinous Labour are. That instead of getting better, or at least seeing the light at the end of tunnel, the situation is becoming much worse very quickly with unemployment and inflation both rising.

So having tried both Tory and now Labour, disillusioned public is turning to Reform. This speed of this is amplified by Musk's intervention and no doubt putin's funding as well. I think most posters here arguing against Labour are terrified of prospect of Reform. They are welcome to confirm.

By calling us CPHQ or Putin's bots (oh irony of it, if you could only know how much money I donated to Ukraine) you're failing to understand these points and actually contradicting your own point about democracy.

I concur 👏

crockofshite · 09/02/2025 23:42

JimHalpertsWife · 09/02/2025 12:20

Also, she isn't "Angela from Housing" - she's the deputy PM and calling her that nickname is quite misogynistic.

Is she the bird who flaps around in a lime green badly fitting trouser suit?

Clavinova · 09/02/2025 23:49

LostittoBostik · 09/02/2025 22:24

Louise haigh isn't in the cabinet.

Starmer's school was state and converted to independent while he was there in his last year, and as an existing pupil he didn't pay fees - I don't think that counts, but feel free to disagree

Healey went to a private sixth form but sat his O levels at state.

Either ways it's the smallest proportion of privately educated cabinet members in our history.

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Louise Haigh was recently a member of the cabinet which is why I listed her separately.

Keir Starmer joined Reigate Grammar in Year 7 in 1974 and the school reverted to independent status in 1976 so clearly not in his last year. Surrey County Council only covered fees for existing pupils up to O level. Starmer received a bursary/scholarship (or part bursary - we don't actually know if his parents contributed something however small) - presumably because of his musical ability as he didn't do particularly well in his O levels. Most of the Sixth Form pupils would have been fee paying.

Sherbs12 · 09/02/2025 23:49

crockofshite · 09/02/2025 23:42

Is she the bird who flaps around in a lime green badly fitting trouser suit?

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Living up to your username @crockofshite - nobody can accuse you of false advertising.

maudelovesharold · 09/02/2025 23:55

Movinghouseatlast · 09/02/2025 13:10

Because it's diminishing her role and achievements. Because it's only women who are referred to in this way, so it's misogyny.

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What achievements? And it’s not only female politicians who are lampooned! Tbh as far as I can see most senior politicians, whichever party, male or female, lack integrity and for the most part fail at the tasks they are charged with, and are, therefore, fair game. It’s not misogyny, if they’re not up to the job they assured us they could do before they were elected.

nearlylovemyusername · 09/02/2025 23:57

It will be interesting to see how AfD performs this month in Germany. I know it's irrelevant to Angela's theme, but the way this thread is going now.

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 00:26

nearlylovemyusername · 09/02/2025 23:57

It will be interesting to see how AfD performs this month in Germany. I know it's irrelevant to Angela's theme, but the way this thread is going now.

Yes it's interesting and scary to watch. I've also developed a fascination with Austrian politics at the moment. Herbert Kickl may form a government and become Chancellor there. Europe could look very different soon.

crockofshite · 10/02/2025 06:13

Sherbs12 · 09/02/2025 23:49

Living up to your username @crockofshite - nobody can accuse you of false advertising.

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You have to admit she needs a stylist.

Jossjt · 10/02/2025 06:18

LostittoBostik · 09/02/2025 21:22

The classism dripping from this post is remarkable.

What's up? Are you a bit sore that the cabinet is 98 per cent state educated? Yer old tie not offering the influence it once did?

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Wow, you are insinuating that all state educated people are thick and stupid. So insulting.

Sherbs12 · 10/02/2025 07:41

Jossjt · 10/02/2025 06:18

Wow, you are insinuating that all state educated people are thick and stupid. So insulting.

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I think the poster was most likely specifically responding to the description of Rayner as ‘uneducated and chippy’…

Sherbs12 · 10/02/2025 08:22

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 00:26

Yes it's interesting and scary to watch. I've also developed a fascination with Austrian politics at the moment. Herbert Kickl may form a government and become Chancellor there. Europe could look very different soon.

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Yes to watching what is happening in both Germany and Austria. I’m also watching Canada, as Poilievre’s Conservatives are leading in the polls - interesting to see how that will play out with Musk and Trump, too.

1457bloom · 10/02/2025 09:00

The trouble Labour has, is that growth is not consistent with increasing the minimum wage, above inflation government pay awards, increased private sector national insurance, the net zero target which increases everyone's energy costs and greater workers rights. These are just more costs which thwart private investment.

Tomorrowisanewday · 10/02/2025 09:04

HellsBalls · 09/02/2025 15:01

Fair comments. However you can be taught to lay bricks competently (if slowly) in 6 months. Most other trades can be done under the eye of an experienced supervisor. Houses can also be made pre-fab and only finished on site.
Up the wages on the building trade and make people employees, not pseudo self employed, introduce more colleges and Skillcenters to learn the trade, etc.
It can be done, but it won’t be.

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HellsBalls but you can't, it takes years of training - unless you want to end up with housing stock like companies such as Persimmon have been delivering. Look up the number of "pre-fab" companies who have gone into administration in the last 12 moths. Building trades are paid well. The colleges that exist are already struggling to attract young people in, and courses are closing - that's the biggest problem, finding young people who want to make their living in construction.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 10/02/2025 09:25

There is another thing that will make it difficult.

I would anticipate prices for building materials worldwide to go up because of increased demand. There will be some huge reconstruction programmes in both Ukraine and Gaza.

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 09:25

Sherbs12 · 10/02/2025 08:22

Yes to watching what is happening in both Germany and Austria. I’m also watching Canada, as Poilievre’s Conservatives are leading in the polls - interesting to see how that will play out with Musk and Trump, too.

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I'm hoping the liberals elect Mark Carney swoon to hold the fort until October.
He would be a good adversary to Trump.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 09:27

1457bloom · 10/02/2025 09:00

The trouble Labour has, is that growth is not consistent with increasing the minimum wage, above inflation government pay awards, increased private sector national insurance, the net zero target which increases everyone's energy costs and greater workers rights. These are just more costs which thwart private investment.

It also has major issues with the job market, as released today. As stated this morning budget is a slow motion car crash

Particularly hitting the north harder, we need jobs not getting closer to recession

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 09:27

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 10/02/2025 09:25

There is another thing that will make it difficult.

I would anticipate prices for building materials worldwide to go up because of increased demand. There will be some huge reconstruction programmes in both Ukraine and Gaza.

Gosh I hope not! They're already sky high.

nearlylovemyusername · 10/02/2025 09:27

Well, another bit of manipulation and right wing propaganda this morning.

FT this time:

UK recruiters say toughest conditions in jobs market since Covid

I can't share token, but as it says on the tin:
“An autumn of fiscal gloom, difficulty navigating significant upcoming tax rises and . . . a costly new approach to employment rights are all acting as brakes on progress.”

"The KPMG/REC survey showed recruiters were reporting widespread falls in vacancies in all sectors, including low-paid areas such as hospitality that until recently had acute staff shortages. They were also reporting far fewer healthcare roles, following a clampdown on the use of agency workers by NHS trusts. However, the sharpest falls in vacancies were in higher paid professional areas and in the tech sector, which has been suffering a long-running slump. "

Whilst the first part indicated general economic decline, the last sentence is particularly interesting - it means there are no investments in high value businesses and tech and this is super scary.

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 09:31

nearlylovemyusername · 10/02/2025 09:27

Well, another bit of manipulation and right wing propaganda this morning.

FT this time:

UK recruiters say toughest conditions in jobs market since Covid

I can't share token, but as it says on the tin:
“An autumn of fiscal gloom, difficulty navigating significant upcoming tax rises and . . . a costly new approach to employment rights are all acting as brakes on progress.”

"The KPMG/REC survey showed recruiters were reporting widespread falls in vacancies in all sectors, including low-paid areas such as hospitality that until recently had acute staff shortages. They were also reporting far fewer healthcare roles, following a clampdown on the use of agency workers by NHS trusts. However, the sharpest falls in vacancies were in higher paid professional areas and in the tech sector, which has been suffering a long-running slump. "

Whilst the first part indicated general economic decline, the last sentence is particularly interesting - it means there are no investments in high value businesses and tech and this is super scary.

No surprise to me at all.
Cause and effect!

marshmallowmix · 10/02/2025 09:37

nearlylovemyusername · 09/02/2025 21:44

All very fair points but it does not matter at all.
Labour policies did not stuck in June 2024, their numbers didn't match, it was so glaringly obvious, but the sentiment was GTTO no matter what and even people who knew they would be harmed by Labour still voted for them. I personally know a lot of such cases. They regret it deeply now.

By 2029 the same sentiment will be Get The Labour Out, so Reform's policies won't matter, it won't be rational again, purely hate for Labour for betrayal and inflicting pain. Because it will get much worse than it was last year.
Then with Musk supporting Reform and all SM election technology I won't be too surprised if Reform will be the main party then, don't think it's going to be majority, by main is not impossible.

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Spot on, it matters not what Reform say as Labour have been such an utter disaster. The farmers they are after to land grab from/IHT are having another protest today in London, the NI on employers none of this was mentioned in their policies nor was cutting the WFA.

They are done for.

Labour got in as people wanted the Tories out at any cost and it has gone so badly wrong.

Starmer has zero charisma even after voice coaching tips he is almost robotic, compare against Sunak when he did his budget speech or Yusuf the Reform Chairman they are a different level.

twistyizzy · 10/02/2025 09:39

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 09:31

No surprise to me at all.
Cause and effect!

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The only people who don't get this are Labour + their die hard supporters.

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 09:39

'budget measures are acting as brakes on hiring'

Why was this not screamingly obvious to the government and the treasury? Yet they plough on regardless!

twistyizzy · 10/02/2025 09:42

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 09:39

'budget measures are acting as brakes on hiring'

Why was this not screamingly obvious to the government and the treasury? Yet they plough on regardless!

Because it is ideology over anything else. They have nothing other than ideology. They are fuelled by revenge (pensioners, farmers + independent schools). It's utterly disgraceful that after having 14 years to plan for this, they don't have a plan.