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Angela from Housing

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billysboy · 09/02/2025 12:18

Ainu to think Angela Rayners has been set up to fail on her 1.5m homes target ?
you can barely get planning permission through for a small extension in under 10 weeks let alone 1.5 m new homes
Every month that goes by the shortage compounds
I wonder if Kier has set her up to fail

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MaloryJones · 09/02/2025 15:55

SpanThatWorld · 09/02/2025 12:19

YABU to recycle a snarky little insult used to belittle one woman so that you can belittle another.

A while ago I would have eyerolled but I agree

Its bad enough "men" having digs at Women, and they often do this via a computer screen!!, without Women dissing other Women.

PS I have just this moment had a run in on a group with sucha a "man"

Parsley1234 · 09/02/2025 15:57

Rayner is well out of her depth
Cooper Reeves and Phillipson looking visibly aged as does milliband but she’s so thick she thinks it’s appropriate to be raving in Ibiza the day the fuel allowance was withdrawn are you joking !

GoldenLegend · 09/02/2025 16:04

Jossjt · 09/02/2025 12:32

Does anyone know how many she has built so far? She should have built 150k so far.

The faux outrage at OP’s title is simply a way to deflect attention from the fact that tis government is atrocious, even worse the last one. And Rayner is of low calibre and she’s being found out.

It’s not false outrage. It’s calling out misogyny.

Lovemycat2023 · 09/02/2025 16:04

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 09/02/2025 15:26

According to a recent letter to the Guardian...

'...developers already have planning consent for more than one million homes. These unused permissions not only represent a missed opportunity; they are an obstacle to the allocation of other land in the local plan. If the Government wants to see some building, then it should make some minor changes to planning law.
Make all consents lapse after five years without automatic right of renewal...'

Perhaps that would be a start?

Some of these permissions will be for large sites where construction has started (which keeps the consent alive), as developers have an upper limit on the amount the market will take each year. That’s why the bigger sites are split into lots of developers, plus some developers who market under different brands (eg David Wilson and Barretts)

So say for example it’s a 3000 home development, split over 6 developers, that will be built in phases with each phase having an outline consent for a number of homes. The build out will be over a number of years. The later phases won’t necessarily have an implementable consent until the reserved matters are dealt with, and the infrastructure and earlier phases go in, so those one million homes aren’t oven-ready.

Hazylazydays · 09/02/2025 16:05

I thought Angela from Housing was a great header OP, it’s her name and housing is her task.
Personally I can’t stand the woman., that does not mean I am misogynistic, it just means I don’t like her, the same as I don’t like a lot of politicians.

Jossjt · 09/02/2025 16:05

Thick as mince is an insult to mince

RoamingGnome · 09/02/2025 16:08

HPFA · 09/02/2025 15:12

It's just an excuse.

I was working on some local newspapers from the 70s and 80s once and every one had a letter from someone saying "why are we building houses? Stop immigration instead!" That was a period when immigration dropped from around 70,000 to 50,000 a year.

Net migration to the UK in 2022 & 2023 was over 600,000 per year. Clearly a net gain of 1.2 million new people will have a significant impact on housing demand - ignoring the impact of migration is daft. We need a joined up conversation on migration & housing - particularly as trends in international student populations have a major impact on certain cities and university finances. More international students = massive demand for student housing, more properties moved to being student lets. Less students = universities panicking about their budgets. Lose lose really.

bemoresloth · 09/02/2025 16:11

twistyizzy · 09/02/2025 15:46

I repeat: by the metrics that Labour said Truss crashed the economy by, Reeves crashed the economy

Why has the MSM not reported that Reeves has crashed the economy?

They have gone very quiet instead.

Your lettuce must have wilted by now

Happyher · 09/02/2025 16:11

Johnson from the Party Planner Section also had a target of 300,000 homes to be built along with the 40 new hospitals and put bugger all in place to achieve this. At least Raynor is legislating the changes that are needed in order to speed up the process. This is a Labour ambition not a Tory fairy tale

mowmiaow · 09/02/2025 16:17

bemoresloth · 09/02/2025 16:11

Why has the MSM not reported that Reeves has crashed the economy?

They have gone very quiet instead.

Your lettuce must have wilted by now

😂

mowmiaow · 09/02/2025 16:18

MN seems to be flooded with a load of rightwing propaganda at the moment. Anything to trash labour and push the dodgy right wing narrative.

TheNuthatch · 09/02/2025 16:26

It's also misogynistic to compare Reeves and Truss. Reeves is the Chancellor, Truss was the Prime Minister.
Surely is should be Truss V Starmer, or Kwarteng V Reeves?
Do we just prefer to blame the woman?

TheNuthatch · 09/02/2025 16:27

mowmiaow · 09/02/2025 16:18

MN seems to be flooded with a load of rightwing propaganda at the moment. Anything to trash labour and push the dodgy right wing narrative.

Labour are doing a great job of trashing themselves don't you think? Have you seen the latest sacking?

GlomOfNit · 09/02/2025 16:28

Parsley1234 · 09/02/2025 12:41

She’s on her way out she’s deliberately been kept out of the public eye as she’s a train wreck. Rayner was put in the front bench to appease the unions she’s uneducated and chippy. Rachel from accounts Bridget from the block Two Tier Keir millipede they’re all dreadful human beings hell bent on ruining this country

What a charmer YOU are, to be sure!

bemoresloth · 09/02/2025 16:31

Julian Jessop from the Tufton Street IEA?

TheNuthatch · 09/02/2025 16:33

bemoresloth · 09/02/2025 16:31

Julian Jessop from the Tufton Street IEA?

Yes! Would you prefer something from the Guardian?

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 09/02/2025 16:33

She's set herself up really. I wouldn't be saying anything in her position without proper research.
Let's me honest she's thick as ....
And she's a liar, didn't pay capital gains on second home she sold as she was living there ... but she wasn't.
Anyway, targets are unachievable, all the trade workers have either gone or are going.

bemoresloth · 09/02/2025 16:35

TheNuthatch · 09/02/2025 16:27

Labour are doing a great job of trashing themselves don't you think? Have you seen the latest sacking?

Swift action was taken by Starmer, good to see no MPs were sent out to defend the indefensible

SlugoftheLimberlost · 09/02/2025 16:36

riceuten · 09/02/2025 15:38

I used to work in housing a building new housing is one of those things - unless you are rabidly anti-immigration - that’s seen as necessary, but nowhere near me, please. The planning system is already heavily bent in favour of developers, the issue is getting the latter to cough up. They’d much rather someone else take the risk and they scrape off the profits

Absolutely.
It's ironic that posters are criticising the influence of unions whilst it's the big firms that are in control of housing policy (as well as a lot of other government policy). I would much prefer that organisations representing ordinary working people are having their say rather than big developers that only care about profits for their shareholders and huge payouts to their executives.
A few years back a very large brownfield site near me was designated as a housing development in the local authority's development plan. There would have been a primary school and a medical centre included. Good transport links and less impact on my small town than other proposals. It didn't happen. Developers don't like brownfield sites. Instead, acres of the surrounding green fields have been built on. Before anyone says, developers need to make a profit, Have a look at the profits that housing firms make. The top three housebuilders produced profit margins of between 17 and 32% a year. They are the ones calling the shots.

TheNuthatch · 09/02/2025 16:37

bemoresloth · 09/02/2025 16:35

Swift action was taken by Starmer, good to see no MPs were sent out to defend the indefensible

I agree, shame he didn't do the same with Jas Athwal don't you think?

mowmiaow · 09/02/2025 16:41

TheNuthatch · 09/02/2025 16:37

I agree, shame he didn't do the same with Jas Athwal don't you think?

Consider how many awful MP and member scandals the tories and reform were happy to ignore. WAY more corrupt and dodgy.

GlomOfNit · 09/02/2025 16:42

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It's not being polite though, is it? What it is, is a load of misogynistic bollocks. Someone blow a dog whistle in the direction of whatever stone you usually hang out beneath, did they?

TheNuthatch · 09/02/2025 16:43

mowmiaow · 09/02/2025 16:41

Consider how many awful MP and member scandals the tories and reform were happy to ignore. WAY more corrupt and dodgy.

Yes true. I'm not sure any of them are more 'corrupt and dodgy' than Jas Athwal though. He's on another level and still an MP.