To wonder what would happen if LL were ever released?

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I'm not intending to state whether I think she is innocent or guilty but I am just curious as to how her life would look if she were released.
Even if her conviction was overturned, it's highly unlikely she'd be able to go back to a regular life, or would she? Would she walk away with no convictions?

Oh come off it!

Are you seriously, SERIOUSLY trying to say it's plausible that doctors, nurses, medical experts, police officers, lawyers and jurors all cared about... the hospital trust paying out less money?!? So that's why they came to the conclusions they all did. Come on now.

Secondly - you've no evidence for this. The Thirwall enquiry has raised a lot of devastating points about how the murderer Lucy Letby was allowed to continue her murderous spree unchecked for quite some time. I'd say the level of compensation for 'the hospital allowed this woman to kill my child' is probably quite high. I'd also say that that's not what's uppermost in the parents' minds. They've been quite clear that they - who sat through the trial - consider Lucy Letby to be guilty.

I'm very open to 10 month trials involving a wealth of medical and legal experts.

They convicted her. But hey, if they all got it horribly wrong, then I guess we'll see a retrial won't we.

But I don't think we will. And if by some chance we do, I am certain she'll be found guilty again.

I’m saying that murder is cheaper. Less to pay in clinical negligence claims if, I don’t know, say an entire department is failing

well beyond reasonable doubt at the time the jury left to deliberate, there was, and now she’s serving 15 life sentences. It’s not about ‘absolute faith’ in the legal system, the evidence presented led to a conviction, and the appeals raised since have been rejected.

I do know it’s a horrible thing to try and grasp that someone could be responsible for going out of their way to murder babies, but I do (as do many others including the jury that sat through the trial) believe that’s what happened.

She’s been refused leave to appeal.

I’m so glad that’s you’re so certain @Worldinyourhands , that makes me feel so much better about my own mind not being made up

Think LL & her legal team were gave access to all court info, on the proviso that they would reveal the outcome publicly even if unfavourable against Lucy.

Maybe not. But do any of us know how we’d react while being interviewed on suspicion of murder?
Seeming calm and arrogant to an onlooker doesn’t make you a serial killer.

Course they saw detailed medical notes, did you watch the press conference? or are you doing this to get attention.

Who gave them permission to access them? Nobody is allowed to access NHS notes without the permission of the patient or their next of kin.

The medical records are evidence in the case. They therefore had to be disclosed to Letby's defence by law. Her defence can share them with potential expert witnesses. They do not need permission from the parent or next of kin for any of this.

The current law is that she will be entitled to compensation if it is proven beyond reasonable doubt that she is not guilty. Whether the NHS or anyone else is convicted of anything is irrelevant.

What you have to realise some of us have worked & been bullied by the nhs we know what they are capable of. The most used method is to make you have a breakdown & end up under a psychiatrist. I worried when they kept rearresting her it made me worried they were looking for evidence rather than finding it.
this could be anyone’s daughter working in the nhs, she thought she was doing the right thing by taking a grievance out look how that worked out. Those doctors on that panel did not mince their words in how the poor care was.

I am absolutely not saying the NHS is innocent in this and they have blood on their hands in allowing her to continue as long as she did but that’s why they are now carrying out the Thirwall enquiry.

I think you’re possibly projecting and your own experience is clouding things and you’re convinced of her innocence- that’s your opinion. I don’t agree.

Similar things were said about many high-profile miscarriages of justice - the Birmingham Six, the Guildford Four, Sally Clark, the Bridgewater Four and so on. We know that there is at least one miscarriage of justice every week in the UK. The true figure is probably much higher. Those who work in the criminal justice system believe that many juries apply a much lower standard than "beyond reasonable doubt", despite the fact that is supposed to be the standard applied.

Well I think I am probably more qualified than you to listen to clinical information, but if you regard the as gullible, crack on. Let’s hope no one in your family works for the nhs.

It’s not up to me to explain it, is it? But I still don’t believe that this will be considered proof of her innocence in a court of law. If it gets that far.

She's a woman so she must be innocent by default 🙄I'm sure just as many posters would be defending a man who was accused of such heinous crimes, and scribbling insane ramblings about how he did it all on purpose because he was so inadequate, not.

If she’s innocent, it’s not insulting anyone if she gets her life back. Ffs

I think it’s the opposite actually. I think the people who are so determined that she’s guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt are the ones that are trying to shut out a terrible possibility. It is far easier to accept that one bad person did terrible things (and has now been caught so we can all relax!) than it is to contemplate that a health system that you trust could be unsafe. You want to believe in the systems - the justice system, the NHS - but those systems are comprised of people and people are flawed.

I've seen all the personal things posters have said to people who think she's guilty so I'm not offended in the least. Yeah you all hope we never serve on a jury or work in the NHS blah blah. Gullible is tame in comparison and we're talking about the defence of a baby killer here. Hopefully you never run into one of the parents of the babies she murdered or disabled for life.

A statue though. She’s not Princess Diana for crying out loud 😂