To wonder what would happen if LL were ever released?

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I'm not intending to state whether I think she is innocent or guilty but I am just curious as to how her life would look if she were released.
Even if her conviction was overturned, it's highly unlikely she'd be able to go back to a regular life, or would she? Would she walk away with no convictions?

Even if this new review leads to a retrial and LL is released, the personal details (diary, repeated searches of the bereaved families) are still unsettling enough for the families and others.
these families are now going to have to relive all their trauma yet again, and I very much doubt that as many resources would be ploughed in to professional support for them as victims as giving LL a new identify.

Even if released, the bereaved families are not going to feel comforted by ‘society accepting the verdict’ - just that LL was one of the many involved in the catastrophic failures of care and someone who took an abnormal interest in them. They may never see justice being done for their children.

I think this will review not only the nhs but the police, CPS ( unless Mr Starmer was in charge at the time) & the justice system. I don’t think that was Initial plan about money, think she was concerned with care & went to her managers. The doctors were pissed off then come up with this story to shut her up. There were investigations, no evidence found of any harm, the doctors were made to apologise they did, but then went to the police directly & the police went on the word of the doctors. Ask a question why were the doctors not on the list who was on duty when those babies died what makes them exempt?
anyone can sit though a trial but if the information your given is untrue how do you know?

I don't think it's anywhere near as bad.
Our older DD got very unwell due to an error in NICU (different and otherwise good hospital), but even during her recovery I was able to understand that human error happens and was able to see that the person responsible was sincerely apologetic and felt awful about it himself.
Murder changes that frustration that something shouldn't have happened alongside understanding that sometimes human error happens, into absolute hatred for an evil intentional act.

She's not innocent. She would have to be the unluckiest person in the entire world for that to be the case.

I think she's guilty.

I have no idea whether LL is innocent or guilty. But I’m pretty shocked at the shaky grasp some posters have of what is being discussed. The dodgy stats have been skewered by statisticians, the neonatalists who have reviewed the evidence say there’s no murders. There was shitty water leaking from the ceiling - hence the plumber. Dead babies are devastating. But they shouldn’t stop justice being clear eyed.

I’m not shocked at all. There’s a general attitude that those in authority, inc. doctors and the justice system can never be wrong. If you’re willing to be a bit more cool-headed you’ll see through that to the complexity. Experts are not immune to hubris. Dewi Evans tried to rubbish statisticians for doing exactly their job, looking at things statistically, while simultaneously trying to do their job himself and making a hash of it. He insists the statisticians are wrong because they are not neonatologists and could therefore have no grasp of the statistics. The point is that they don’t need to understand neonatology, they just need to look at the numbers and methods used.

It's very complex yes but the jury went by the medical experts presented in the trial. There was no other explanation for the deaths. To think the jury got through 10 months of harrowing testimony and came to the right decision after many many hours to put that despicable woman away and now some people actually want a retrial, that is unthinkable to me-and I'm not in anyway connected to the case thank goodness. You cannot put those parents through that again when exactly the same conclusion will be reached.

Based on what?

Not unlucky but she might be a victim aswell.

How accurate is the Thirwell inquiry if no murders occurred?

A victim of what exactly?

Her life & her families lives have been ruined. Imagine if it was your daughter or sister in that position.

Did you actually hear the press conference? They said no evidence of murder committed. Lots of evidence of poor care & very poorly babies.

Mary Bell was released and lives under a new identity, so does Maxine Carr.

Reminds me of the Guildford Four. The judge then said that he would have sentenced them to death; let's not forget that Letby has 15 whole life sentences, near enough a death sentence.

Carole Richardson was one of the Guildford Four. The following link is about Paddy Armstrong who was Carole's boyfriend at the time they were taken into custody.

www.thejusticegap.com/interview-my-marriage-fell-apart-when-i-got-sentenced-to-death-by-the-nf/

Do you mean you think she’s a serial murderer of babies because she’s a bit weird?

I mean, none of us know, obviously, but is your reasoning because of that?

I believe the term is, a miscarriage of justice. It is a term because it’s not uncommon. Again, none of us know in this case, but it’s a little bit odd to suggest that it never happens.

I think its pretty dodgy.

The whole thing.

The evidence is clearly botched. But she also clearly did a lot of strange things. Like having hundreds of patient files and trying to go back when being accused of negligence and even murder!

I think she’s going to get off.

Before I thought I dont know whats worse; that she did it, or that she was accused of doing it and is innocent.

But actually the worse thing would be her getting off when she did do it.
That’s only just dawned on me this last week. And it is a possibility.

She would probably have to leave the country.