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To wonder what would happen if LL were ever released?

355 replies

Pleasehelp12345 · 06/02/2025 19:27

I'm not intending to state whether I think she is innocent or guilty but I am just curious as to how her life would look if she were released.
Even if her conviction was overturned, it's highly unlikely she'd be able to go back to a regular life, or would she? Would she walk away with no convictions?

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Blinkingbonkers · 06/02/2025 21:50

A lot of people keep stating that “there was a really long trial and she was found guilty so she must be” - the whole point of the press conference etc is that the evidence used in the trial was not correct!! Mass negligence looks the more culpable party with a dose of cover up. Not only does the nhs look, yet again, like the train wreck it is to the rest of the world but our justice system is also seriously called into question. Total mess.

FanofLeaves · 06/02/2025 21:50

RosesAndHellebores · 06/02/2025 21:47

I hope she would be OK. I also hope it might herald an end to toxic and hierarchical NHS cultures where standards are terrifically poor and senior people look for a scapegoat.

If she didn't do it I hope it is proven and a statue of her goes up in the foyer of every hospital as a reminder of what toxic cultures bring.

They’ll never do that thank god there’s nothing to prove her innocence 100%. It would be massively insulting and triggering to the parents of the babies who were killed or suffered. She’s not a saint or a martyr, innocent or guilty.

Viviennemary · 06/02/2025 21:50

Pleasehelp12345 · 06/02/2025 21:02

I think Maxinr Carr should be left alone now. She acted in a very foolish manner but apparently had no idea that Ian Huntley was responsible for the murders, she's done her time and should be able to get on with her life.

That's she had no idea he was involved isnt certain. She gave him an alibi. Which was a lie.

samarrange · 06/02/2025 21:52

Palsywalsy · 06/02/2025 19:35

If she was found innocent and it’s a miscarriage of justice why would she need a new identity?

With most miscarriages of justice, it becomes clear that somebody else must have committed the crime (because there is usually no question that there was a crime). Someone else confesses, or we hear that the police had other DNA samples that matched the scene and lost them, or something like that. And maybe it's established that the person who was convicted was mentally vulnerable, or fitted up (rarer these days, but my goodness, the 1970s...), or had other convictions and so appeared guilty but didn't commit this particular crime.

But in this case, the complexity is that if LL didn't murder the babies, then nobody did. There would be no reopening of the police case to find "the real killer". The entire case for her defence is that the babies died of a combination of natural causes and substandard care, some of it perhaps her fault but most of it to do with the work environment. So the people who currently believe she is guilty will probably not change their minds unless they read, and are convinced by, the extensive scientific evidence, which is quite a big ask of most people. You could have half the UK population believing that a murderer of a dozen or more children has been let loose and might be living on their street. Quite a few of those might be family members, at one or two levels of remove, of the dead children.

For what it's worth I think she would need a new identity and either to be resettled abroad, or as a minimum for it to be widely reported and believed that she had been resettled abroad.

Grammarnut · 06/02/2025 21:53

Pleasehelp12345 · 06/02/2025 19:27

I'm not intending to state whether I think she is innocent or guilty but I am just curious as to how her life would look if she were released.
Even if her conviction was overturned, it's highly unlikely she'd be able to go back to a regular life, or would she? Would she walk away with no convictions?

She might acquire a new identity curtesy of the state.

LizzieSiddal · 06/02/2025 21:53

If she is innocent then I sincerely hope she is left to get on with her life in absolute peace and quiet.

notgettinganyyounger · 06/02/2025 21:53

If she is innocent and I now believe she may well be, she should be compensated.
There are some extremely arrogant doctors who wouldn't think twice of using a nurse as a fall guy. I seriously hope they get to the bottom of it all one way or another.

CdcRuben · 06/02/2025 21:56

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TY78910 · 06/02/2025 22:04

I don't think she will be released but if she does then it'll be a hard life.

Wasn't it the case that babies in multiple hospital she worked in have passed away? It's too much of a coincidence.

It's such a complex case because deep in my heart I know that she is guilty but there is reasonable doubt that the evidence may point in a different direction.

Luddite26 · 06/02/2025 22:11

JohnofWessex · 06/02/2025 21:46

The issue though is 'who was negligent'

Some poor sap may well end up as the fall guy as it went wrong on their watch BUT those over them knew what was happening and took no action.

Think Herald of Free Enterprise

The people who seemed it safe to run wards on the lowest amount of staff possible to start with.

Mangoesintoapub · 06/02/2025 22:12

I think she'll be released with a year with a new identity and compensation. Her life is ruined either way.

Cerial · 06/02/2025 22:13

She & her parents would demand her be reinstated with back pay & pension contributions, with missed promotions awarded and damages. She would marry Dr Lee and not have children because he would secretly have a vasectomy because he is so afraid of her.

ArmySurplusHamster · 06/02/2025 22:14

Babies die in hospitals every day so it would be bloody odd, rather than ‘too much of a coincidence, if there were no instances of babies dying on earlier wards Letby worked on, @TY78910.

Exasperated24 · 06/02/2025 22:16

TY78910 · 06/02/2025 22:04

I don't think she will be released but if she does then it'll be a hard life.

Wasn't it the case that babies in multiple hospital she worked in have passed away? It's too much of a coincidence.

It's such a complex case because deep in my heart I know that she is guilty but there is reasonable doubt that the evidence may point in a different direction.

You know fuck all.

itsjustbiology · 06/02/2025 22:25

My worry with LL is that even if she was found innocent would people genuinely accept that? She would never be safe here I guess. I can't square the circle on this case. If she went on a huge media thing to gather support etc people would only say she was miking the system for £££s and what about the poor parents etc so many questions. It is a melon scratcher indeed and I feel she cannot win either way

DarkDarkNight · 06/02/2025 22:29

I think people would refuse to believe she was innocent, they would think she’d gotten away with it.

I would not like to have been on that jury or that of any retrial that’s for sure. It’s a very complex case.

AlertBrickBear · 06/02/2025 22:31

Mumsgirls · 06/02/2025 20:03

The Birmingham six and other victims of miscarriages of justice did not have to hide away. They were vindicated and the so called evidence was hokum. Lucy Letby should be the same, if pronounced innocent.

I wish I thought this would be the case. Even victims are hounded. Remember this case:

www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/28/ched-evans-rape-victim-change-name-move-house-father

murasaki · 06/02/2025 22:31

Mumsgirls · 06/02/2025 20:03

The Birmingham six and other victims of miscarriages of justice did not have to hide away. They were vindicated and the so called evidence was hokum. Lucy Letby should be the same, if pronounced innocent.

They also had to pay back living costs for prison from their compensation. It was an outrage.

AlertBrickBear · 06/02/2025 22:32

TY78910 · 06/02/2025 22:04

I don't think she will be released but if she does then it'll be a hard life.

Wasn't it the case that babies in multiple hospital she worked in have passed away? It's too much of a coincidence.

It's such a complex case because deep in my heart I know that she is guilty but there is reasonable doubt that the evidence may point in a different direction.

I hope you’re never on a jury.

SilentLetterDay · 06/02/2025 22:37

I was once accused of doing something horrible. I didn't do it. Still lost half my family, my neighbours and a lot of friends. I was lucky that I had proof I didn't do it but it made no difference to the people in my life who already made their minds up. My life changed massively and it wasn't something even remotely close to murder/abuse that I was accused of. Not seen or spoken to that side of the family for over a decade now.

People I didn't even know stopped me in the street, people in supermarkets would talk about it and give me horrible looks etc, I moved away in the end..

It's not the same for everyone but I found once you get a name it never really goes away.

If she is innocent then I feel for her.

nahthatsnotforme · 06/02/2025 22:38

TY78910 · 06/02/2025 22:04

I don't think she will be released but if she does then it'll be a hard life.

Wasn't it the case that babies in multiple hospital she worked in have passed away? It's too much of a coincidence.

It's such a complex case because deep in my heart I know that she is guilty but there is reasonable doubt that the evidence may point in a different direction.

Please don't ever be a juror. Find any excuse

5foot5 · 06/02/2025 22:47

FanofLeaves · 06/02/2025 21:50

They’ll never do that thank god there’s nothing to prove her innocence 100%. It would be massively insulting and triggering to the parents of the babies who were killed or suffered. She’s not a saint or a martyr, innocent or guilty.

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She shouldn't have to prove her innocence. The prosecution should be able to prove her guilt. The issue is that many people believe that they didn't.

YourAzureEagle · 06/02/2025 22:47

Snorlaxo · 06/02/2025 20:20

Just remembered Amanda Knox who seems to be safe living as herself and even being papped and featuring on tv documentaries . 🤔

The states has something of a different attitude towards these things, plus what Knox was accused of happened in a different country, and the victim was an adult rather than a baby or young child.

Also the vast majority of the public in the US believe Knox to be totally innocent and wronged and the rest don't care either way.

Catpuss66 · 06/02/2025 22:54

FanofLeaves · 06/02/2025 19:54

Yes she definitely was, although not of murder.

LL might well be guilty- she has been found so by a jury after an incredibly long trial. The conviction being overturned (I doubt this would happen) will not be proof of innocence.

If it is proven there was no murder, that those babies died because of poor practice in those that accused her, how can she be guilty?

FanofLeaves · 06/02/2025 22:57

5foot5 · 06/02/2025 22:47

She shouldn't have to prove her innocence. The prosecution should be able to prove her guilt. The issue is that many people believe that they didn't.

To all intents and purposes, at the time of the year-long trial, they did, and the jury obviously thought so too. Hence the fact that she’s currently serving 15 life sentences.