To wonder what would happen if LL were ever released?

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I'm not intending to state whether I think she is innocent or guilty but I am just curious as to how her life would look if she were released.
Even if her conviction was overturned, it's highly unlikely she'd be able to go back to a regular life, or would she? Would she walk away with no convictions?

And how are they going to prove that?

If there was no murder how can she be guilty of anything?

Hopefully the fair conviction isn't overturned. And if it ever is, hopefully Letby is never able to go anywhere near another baby.

oh I don't know - maybe if 14 of the very top neonatal specialists in the entire world, from different continents, all got together (for free) and independently reviewed all of the medical files of the babies and concluded that every one of them died of natural causes or poor medical care from the doctors.....

All prompted by Dr Lee, who was so annoyed that his work on embolisms in babies had been misinterpreted by the prosecution and used to convict her that he decided to look at all of the cases.....

I feel like if I was innocent, I'd have been much more vocal/ desperate during the trial. Surely you'd be screaming and crying that you didn't do it, knowing that whole life in prison was the punishment??

This isn't the question being asked. But no all the babies in this case were from one hospital. The investigations of 14 world experts in neonate care from around the world think all 17 babies died or were harmed were as the result of poor care, incompetence and natural causes. None of these doctors had anything to gain from the work they did or payments made. The single doctor for the prosecution was paid for his work.

The hospital in question also had a high rate of maternal mortality. LL did not work with adults.

Eventually she will be released because there is a very shaky case against her and I believe this hospital was basically terrible and did not adequately care for it's patients. Her life and that if her parents has been ruined as many of those who are the subject of a miscarriage of justice are.

I wonder how those experts got hold of the case notes. And if the parents gave permission for the review.

They didn't and they didn't.

Lucy Letby will never see the light of Matalan. Thank God.

This still won’t prove anything. It’s not literally about the babies dying. It’s also about her behaviour in the aftermath, lack of care (standing by when babies flatlined) lack of empathy towards bereaved parents, stalking them on social media, taking about 500 pages of notes home with her, none of it proves guilt but put together it’s not as clean cut as saying oh maybe the babies would have just died anyway. It was enough to build a case for the prosecution and have her sent down by a jury. She had pretty much no defence. She’s also been refused an appeal twice.

Court documents I suppose and she is entitled to try to appeal and her legal team and anyone they direct would be given access.

Think they just did, one retired doctor managed to fabricate different methods of murder that caused LL to be found guilty. 14 higher qualified doctors have said it was not true.

She’d already been on remand in prison for years by the time the trial was held. You get beaten down, learned helplessness. Screaming and shouting wouldn’t make a blind bit of difference by that point except to get you kicked out of court. Sometimes the one thing left to you is your dignity.

Oh fab, hopefully she’s been let out and is on her way to a Premier Inn as we speak then.

The primary concern now is that this cannot be allowed to happen again

And if that means closer examination of what happened then that can only be a good thing

LL may be guilty, she may be not guilty. But as a society we owe it to those poor babies and their families to get to the bottom of what happened

This means that we must consider the possibility (no matter how remote) that the deaths were as a result of poor care

We must be open to this being revisited

By getting 14 leading world experts on neonatal care to re-examine the evidence?

Seriously nothing about this case makes any sense

1. The autopsies didn't find evidence the babies were murdered
2. The outside consultants who were brought in to find out why so many babies were dying didn't find evidence the babies were murdered

They only found evidence the babies had been murdered once they started looking for evidence of it after Lucy had been accused of killing the babies by the consultants.

The consultants' main evidence to accuse her seems to be that Lucy was there at the deaths (and to deflect attention from the poor medical care they were delivering perhaps). But there were also other deaths that she wasn't there for.

They seem to have deliberately searched for ways in which the babies who died whilst she was present might possibly have been killed by her whilst ignoring all the similar deaths which happened when she wasn't there and the excess deaths in the maternity unit.

The other circumstantial evidence that the deaths stopped when she was suspended is also bogus because they downgraded the unit at the same time so that they didn't look after such sick children.

I expect they will rethink line of questioning, I expect the trusts would have not had to pay compensation to the parents if they were murdered rather than they were negligent. Might be wrong, cynic that I am.

I hope she isn't set free because of pressure from certain quarters. The doctors who were actually involved in the care of these poor babies tried and tried to get her removed to protect the babies but the hospital authorities refused to act and involve the police.

Why must we? The process exists. She's going to be referred to the CCRC (actually already has been). It will likely be unsuccessful. Whether it is or not, Mumsnet users being 'open to it' makes absolutely no difference.

Holy shit, you’re right @Catpuss66

Murder is the cheapest option

I’ve not considered that angle before

That doesn't explain her calm and arrogant demeanour in her very first police interviews.

It is quite devastating if you watch the press conference.

Many of the babies were very sick. But with others they describe endless medical failures to give the babies the correct treatments and medicine.

The Canadian professor said that in Canada a hospital like this would have been closed down.

The idea of her ever getting out is only in the fantasies of a few loser men and gullible women, thank god.

While I applaud your absolute faith in our legal system, unfortunately it is not infallible. There is no ‘proof of guilt’ in this case.

The process is deeply flawed @Worldinyourhands

The only good thing that can happen now is for future deaths to be prevented. Doesn’t matter if MNetters are open to it or not, but as a society we need to be open to re examining things, not just repeatedly shouting it down because we don’t agree

If you watch the press conference it seems that the brave, whistleblowing doctors were actual the cause of many of the deaths by using the wrong size breathing tube, failing to prescribe the right antibiotics, losing test results etc etc. The litany of failures goes on and on.

https://www.youtube.com/live/N0nmoGes3IU?si=GT9p03Iq7A6TXyoZ