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Lucy Letby.....she might actually be innocent?!

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Dramatic · 04/02/2025 21:06

I have just watched the full press conference and I'm blown away. There seems to be no actual evidence AT ALL that she killed or injured those babies. This could be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice there has ever been in this country.

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ThePuppyHasZoomiesAgain · 04/02/2025 22:06

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 21:08

Hard disagree. I followed the trial very closely. She is guilty.

I really do think people’s mindset rests on her looks an ethnicity. If Lucy Letby was a black woman or fat or unattractive, nobody would be protesting her innocence

I agree with you.

I also followed the trial and I think she's guilty. Before the trial started I was thinking she would be found innocent.

I think most people that think she is innocent, look at her photo (she is a nice ordinary looking girl), don't want to believe it, and it is easy for them to believe all these new 'innocent' headlines without any of the court testimony to back them up.

I would much prefer for the jury to have been wrong and that all those deaths (though still awful) to be the fault of mistakes and understaffing at the hospital.

Clarabell77 · 04/02/2025 22:06

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 21:25

Yes where were these experts when her (very good) defence team were calling expert witnesses?

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A lot of people were surprised at how the very good defence team were actually very bad. They called one witness, a plumber. She’s changed her legal representation now and they’re saying this is new evidence.

I thought she was guilty at the time.

PaterPower · 04/02/2025 22:06

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 22:01

It wasn’t true of the unit until Letby left and before she started

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I’m not sure if you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me.

The unit had raw sewage backing up into sinks. They were grossly understaffed with specialists, including experienced consultants. They were downgraded, significantly, months after Letby had been first arrested.

None of that can be attributed to her.

This was a failing unit that shouldn’t have been looking after babies who were as premature and sick as they were.

Hotflushesandchilblains · 04/02/2025 22:06

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 21:08

Hard disagree. I followed the trial very closely. She is guilty.

I really do think people’s mindset rests on her looks an ethnicity. If Lucy Letby was a black woman or fat or unattractive, nobody would be protesting her innocence

No, sorry. I felt that the way the case was put together was troubling. I dont find her attractive, and think she sounds like a very odd person. But the case against her just wasnt as compelling as it needed to be for life in prison.

Alwaystired23 · 04/02/2025 22:07

Newborndaze · 04/02/2025 21:56

This proves nothing.
Some nurses prefer to work in special care, some prefer intensive care. What you’re saying is akin to saying we should be suspicious of nurses that choose to work in adult ICU over outpatients.

I don’t know whether she’s innocent or guilty but I work in neonates and statements like yours are very frustrating. Having an interest in or a preference of intensive care isn’t an unusual behaviour for a nurse to display.

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I agree. I've worked with nurses who love ITU, A&E, really sick patients. It doesn't make them killers.

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 22:07

PeriPeriMam · 04/02/2025 22:04

I feel that anyone who has worked in the NHS would be pretty much unsurprised IF an NHS Trust under pressure and with an unusually high death rate would throw one of its own staff under a bus and perform an enormous witch hunt to try to support a conviction rather than hold hands up to admit any mistakes or unsafe practices.

This colours my opinion of the entire thing.

There was actually a huge internal movement to cover up the baby death scandal and a real resistance to act on the deaths. It’s only when pushed that directors called the police. There were emails uncovered that actually said they don’t want the reputational risk

It was the police who spotted the pattern with Letby as well

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Dramatic · 04/02/2025 22:07

Briannaco · 04/02/2025 21:59

I disagree. I think it's weird.

I work as a teaching assistant in a school right now.

There is no way I would look up any of the children's parents on Facebook.

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Ok, I have. Does that make me a murderer?

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JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 22:07

Genevieva · 04/02/2025 22:04

Hopefully today's press conference might give some people who assert that they 'know' she is guilty because they followed the trial pause for thought. Unless they traipsed along to sit in the public gallery every day then they have not heard all the evidence and relied on media reports, so they have not actually followed the trial.

They also seem to have failed to notice that Lucy Letby's defence team did not call her expert witness in her defence nor that the prosecution witness was not qualified to have the role. While her defence team did cross-examine the prosecution witness, this is not evidence in law and the jury did not have to take it into account, whereas they would have had to take her defence witness into account.

Dr Shoo Lee demolished every single murder charge systematically. There is no doubt that had he been her expert witness, Lucy Letby would not have been convicted. The verdict is clearly unsound and Lucy Letby should be released immediately pending a retrial.

Similarly how can you KNOW she’s innocent??

Briannaco · 04/02/2025 22:07

I definitely think that some nurses enjoy the power over sick and weak people, and they abuse their role.

My brother had to go into a and e recently.

He told me that the nurse laughed at him when he was there.

Avocando · 04/02/2025 22:07

TheyAreNotAngelsTheyDontCareAtAll · 04/02/2025 22:05

Yes there is something sinister about this behaviour. If you are a qualified nurse, the NMC would not see it as within professional boundaries.

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Yeah but tbh she sounds like someone who wasn’t suited to being a nurse in the first place

RudbekiasAreSun · 04/02/2025 22:08

Leave it to the professionals , ironically, as she said this actually

soupyspoon · 04/02/2025 22:08

WeAreOnTheRoadToNowhere · 04/02/2025 21:59

They misinterpreted his research. I think he will be more of an expert on his own research than the prosecution experts

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I dont know how your comment relates to mine, I answered a post which claimed that the reason the evidence wasnt presented in the trial is that experts wont give evidence which contradicts other professionals

That is incorrect to say that.

Briannaco · 04/02/2025 22:09

Dramatic · 04/02/2025 22:07

Ok, I have. Does that make me a murderer?

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I think it's weirder when the person is a nurse, and she is looking up the parents of a baby after the baby has died.

Genevieva · 04/02/2025 22:09

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 22:07

Similarly how can you KNOW she’s innocent??

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I don't know if she is guilty or not. I do know that there has been a miscarriage of justice because she was not given a proper defence. This means a retrial is necessary.

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 22:09

Muffintopgalore · 04/02/2025 22:05

A couple of things made me think twice.

  1. no psychological evaluation could pinpoint a pathology on her.

  2. after she was accused at the trust, she doubled down to protest her innocence and remained there, despite knowing what the consultants thought. Would a guilty person do this? Surely if she was guilty she wouldn’t have stayed where she may be “found out” eventually

ultimately though I have no idea whether she’s innocent or not.

She did actually have psychological evaluations and they were not presented in court. Wonder why

And of course guilty people double down on their innocence! The Moors Murderers blamed Hindley’s BIL for about 30 years before confessing he had nothing to do with it

Oftenaddled · 04/02/2025 22:09

BreatheAndFocus · 04/02/2025 22:00

That’s not 100% correct. There was fuss about Dr Lee in the trial. I can’t remember the details off the top of my head, but he said something like the evidence didn’t fit his work but then had to take that comment back when he admitted it actually did.

More than that, he’s allegedly already re-written his research after being recruited to the new Defence team of experts. What’s the betting on how it’s been…improved…to, er, make it clear Letby is innocent.

Letby’s new Defence team are just pushing all this to try to get the public on their side to push for a re-trial. They’ve gone expert-shopping, but seem to have zero new evidence. Perhaps they’ll keep trying to appeal like they did for Ben Geen.

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No, you have that wrong.

Lee didn't take anything back. The court of appeal told him he was wrong.

Lee hasn't changed his research. He has added to it. He wrote an article in 1989, and his new article looks at all the new information since that date. It doesn't contradict the old one.

He made one important change in presentation. In the 1989 article, he didn't list the symptoms of two different types of air embolism separately. He shouldn't have needed to because he described what caused the symptoms, so a subject specialist reading it would understand the difference.

In the new article, he lists the two types separately. So it is obvious that Dr Jayaram and Dr Evans accused Letby of doing one thing, but used the symptoms for another thing to prove it.

So he has updated his research and made it super clear for non experts. It is fully referenced and available open access, so anyone can investigate if they truly think he has "improved" it, instead of dropping hints on the internet.

This is how proper science works.

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 04/02/2025 22:09

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 21:54

Not in neonatal wards they dont

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Of course they do. 🙄

jimmyhill · 04/02/2025 22:10

Snorlaxo · 04/02/2025 21:10

Being female helps too. A man would be assumed guilty

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Yes like Andrew Malkinson. And three of the Guildford Four. And the Birmingham Six.

wipeywipe · 04/02/2025 22:10

I‘m fed up with the conspiracy theories about this. She’s guilty.

Why is it a conspiracy to be concerned about a miscarriage of justice?

TheyAreNotAngelsTheyDontCareAtAll · 04/02/2025 22:10

Dramatic · 04/02/2025 22:07

Ok, I have. Does that make me a murderer?

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Not necessarily, but it is bizarre behaviour and completely unprofessional.

Januarybirthdaysarehardtomakefun · 04/02/2025 22:10

It’s the insulin response that has her banged to rights.

Longtalljosie · 04/02/2025 22:10

Amba1998 · 04/02/2025 21:13

A significant amount of evidence that the jury and those in the gallery heard was not made public to the press. So you can’t have followed that closely unless you were in there.

I don’t have an opinion either way because I wasn’t there, didn’t listen to the experts and i’m not an expert myself. But to have followed via the media like the rest of us frankly isn’t following the trial closely

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The press were also in court, as is normal in a trial of this sort

SalmonAndHorseradish · 04/02/2025 22:11

Briannaco · 04/02/2025 22:02

It is a common sign of murderers actually.

She looked the parents up on Facebook AFTER the babies died.

Murderers are known to want to see parents suffering.

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Looking people from your life up online is something many people do for no other reason than nosiness and boredom. It was said that she'd looked up almost everyone she'd ever come into contact with, so it isn't as if she focused on those families specifically.

I don't claim to know whether she's innocent or not, but I don't think it helps to cherry pick evidence or psychoanalyse behaviour which is actually very common. I don't think her internet searches or her reaction when arrested (she looked stunned IMO) are any more evidence that she's guilty than her so-called confession notes, which people also take completely out of context.

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 04/02/2025 22:11

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 21:55

And babies in the brink of going home and being “full term” died under Letby’s watch

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The babies weren't on the brink of going home, they were very poorly. Get your facts straight FGS!

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 04/02/2025 22:12

Briannaco · 04/02/2025 22:07

I definitely think that some nurses enjoy the power over sick and weak people, and they abuse their role.

My brother had to go into a and e recently.

He told me that the nurse laughed at him when he was there.

Hmm
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