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Lucy Letby.....she might actually be innocent?!

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Dramatic · 04/02/2025 21:06

I have just watched the full press conference and I'm blown away. There seems to be no actual evidence AT ALL that she killed or injured those babies. This could be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice there has ever been in this country.

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BreatheAndFocus · 04/02/2025 22:00

Newborndaze · 04/02/2025 21:52

No, they also used Dr. Shoo Lee’s research incorrectly, as proof that the rash described as appearing on some of the babies was proof of air embolisms. Dr. Shoo Lee has publicly stated his work has been misinterpreted.

That’s not 100% correct. There was fuss about Dr Lee in the trial. I can’t remember the details off the top of my head, but he said something like the evidence didn’t fit his work but then had to take that comment back when he admitted it actually did.

More than that, he’s allegedly already re-written his research after being recruited to the new Defence team of experts. What’s the betting on how it’s been…improved…to, er, make it clear Letby is innocent.

Letby’s new Defence team are just pushing all this to try to get the public on their side to push for a re-trial. They’ve gone expert-shopping, but seem to have zero new evidence. Perhaps they’ll keep trying to appeal like they did for Ben Geen.

Millyjanice · 04/02/2025 22:00

BoldBlueZebra · 04/02/2025 21:10

Tbh I followed the trial and believed she had done it but today seeing 13 paediatric specialists saying actually there’s no evidence all I can think is wtf

Yes, sounds like medical staff cocked up and blamed a nurse. I was on the fence before but I think she’s innocent now.

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 22:00

soupyspoon · 04/02/2025 21:57

Expert professionals give different evidence to each other all the time, you have psychiatrists on the defence and prosecution all the time for example in murder trials

The trial of Constance Marten is a good example of this. The prosecution expert says a baby could never survive in a tent in the winter. A defence expert said the opposite and gave examples of babies all of the world who live in colder conditions and grow up to be healthy.

Oftenaddled · 04/02/2025 22:00

Briannaco · 04/02/2025 21:59

I disagree. I think it's weird.

I work as a teaching assistant in a school right now.

There is no way I would look up any of the children's parents on Facebook.

It could be weird, but lots of people do it, so it's not unusual or s sign that you are a murderer.

Hobbesmanc · 04/02/2025 22:01

MidnightMusing5 · 04/02/2025 21:59

LL didn’t look so shocked when arrested, which was telling imo. 🤷‍♀️

She'd been suspended and under investigation for months. Hours of questioning. She was already fragile and under extreme mental pressure. I'm not sure her state of mind when she was charged with murder on camera is indicative of guilt.

Livelovebehappy · 04/02/2025 22:01

TBH, this is exactly how I felt when she was sentenced. Her being found guilty was all based on circumstantial evidence. It’s far too flimsy for her to be convicted.

Avocando · 04/02/2025 22:01

Dramatic · 04/02/2025 21:56

She searched hundreds of people, these were just a few. I search everyone and anyone, including parents of children I've previously looked after, it's nosiness more than anything, nothing sinister at all about that.

At the very least it’s weird, unprofessional, intrusive and definitely against Trust Policy.

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 22:01

PaterPower · 04/02/2025 21:59

Unfortunately, that wasn’t true of this hospital unit. And wasn’t true when Letby was not on shift (and yet babies died that might well have survived under a different team).

It wasn’t true of the unit until Letby left and before she started

Briannaco · 04/02/2025 22:01

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 21:57

Because innovation and care is optimal, and the chances of survival in neonatal babies is very high in developed countries

"Care is optimal"?

Are you naive or what?

Some of the other nurses on lucy letbys neonatal ward said that the ward was chronically understaffed and that it also had bad hygiene practices.

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 22:01

MidnightMusing5 · 04/02/2025 21:59

LL didn’t look so shocked when arrested, which was telling imo. 🤷‍♀️

TBF I think she did, she looked like she was gonna vomit

soupyspoon · 04/02/2025 22:02

TraderJoese · 04/02/2025 21:56

@soupyspoon

As an autistic person I've been called weird and do weird stuff that people find me odd. I've also had instances where they blame things on me knowing I have a tendency to just believe what's been said therefore also believe that what's being said is true even if it's not.

Is she autistic

And how does what you've said relate to the evidence presented at the trial?

All of us do odd things, compared to others

Briannaco · 04/02/2025 22:02

Oftenaddled · 04/02/2025 22:00

It could be weird, but lots of people do it, so it's not unusual or s sign that you are a murderer.

It is a common sign of murderers actually.

She looked the parents up on Facebook AFTER the babies died.

Murderers are known to want to see parents suffering.

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 22:03

BreatheAndFocus · 04/02/2025 22:00

That’s not 100% correct. There was fuss about Dr Lee in the trial. I can’t remember the details off the top of my head, but he said something like the evidence didn’t fit his work but then had to take that comment back when he admitted it actually did.

More than that, he’s allegedly already re-written his research after being recruited to the new Defence team of experts. What’s the betting on how it’s been…improved…to, er, make it clear Letby is innocent.

Letby’s new Defence team are just pushing all this to try to get the public on their side to push for a re-trial. They’ve gone expert-shopping, but seem to have zero new evidence. Perhaps they’ll keep trying to appeal like they did for Ben Geen.

I agree with this. Lawyers are entertainers and it’s all a circus and they want publicity

wipeywipe · 04/02/2025 22:03

Expert professionals give different evidence to each other all the time, you have psychiatrists on the defence and prosecution all the time for example in murder trials

Yes but what you don't usually have is evidence by one Dr used where the same Dr says that evidence was misinterpreted...,

PeriPeriMam · 04/02/2025 22:04

I feel that anyone who has worked in the NHS would be pretty much unsurprised IF an NHS Trust under pressure and with an unusually high death rate would throw one of its own staff under a bus and perform an enormous witch hunt to try to support a conviction rather than hold hands up to admit any mistakes or unsafe practices.

This colours my opinion of the entire thing.

Msmoonpie · 04/02/2025 22:04

MidnightMusing5 · 04/02/2025 21:59

LL didn’t look so shocked when arrested, which was telling imo. 🤷‍♀️

Seriously ? She had been under investigation for literally years - and arrested at least twice before - it likely wasn’t a massive shock to her. She wouldn’t have been happy but she would have known it was a possibility.

Genevieva · 04/02/2025 22:04

Hopefully today's press conference might give some people who assert that they 'know' she is guilty because they followed the trial pause for thought. Unless they traipsed along to sit in the public gallery every day then they have not heard all the evidence and relied on media reports, so they have not actually followed the trial.

They also seem to have failed to notice that Lucy Letby's defence team did not call her expert witness in her defence nor that the prosecution witness was not qualified to have the role. While her defence team did cross-examine the prosecution witness, this is not evidence in law and the jury did not have to take it into account, whereas they would have had to take her defence witness into account.

Dr Shoo Lee demolished every single murder charge systematically. There is no doubt that had he been her expert witness, Lucy Letby would not have been convicted. The verdict is clearly unsound and Lucy Letby should be released immediately pending a retrial.

Leilanii · 04/02/2025 22:04

I‘m fed up with the conspiracy theories about this. She’s guilty.

Muffintopgalore · 04/02/2025 22:05

A couple of things made me think twice.

  1. no psychological evaluation could pinpoint a pathology on her.

  2. after she was accused at the trust, she doubled down to protest her innocence and remained there, despite knowing what the consultants thought. Would a guilty person do this? Surely if she was guilty she wouldn’t have stayed where she may be “found out” eventually

ultimately though I have no idea whether she’s innocent or not.

TheyAreNotAngelsTheyDontCareAtAll · 04/02/2025 22:05

Dramatic · 04/02/2025 21:56

She searched hundreds of people, these were just a few. I search everyone and anyone, including parents of children I've previously looked after, it's nosiness more than anything, nothing sinister at all about that.

Yes there is something sinister about this behaviour. If you are a qualified nurse, the NMC would not see it as within professional boundaries.

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 22:05

Briannaco · 04/02/2025 22:01

"Care is optimal"?

Are you naive or what?

Some of the other nurses on lucy letbys neonatal ward said that the ward was chronically understaffed and that it also had bad hygiene practices.

What I mean is if there is a ward with the best neonatal equipment, medicine and devices in the world, even with understaffed teams, babies are highly likely to survive. Innovation around neonatal health is incredible and has made huge strides in the last few decades, and babies have an almost certain chance of survival if they are hooked up to the right machines and given the right medicines

Germanymunch · 04/02/2025 22:05

One thing for sure is that her life is ruined. She'll never be able to be a nurse again.

soupyspoon · 04/02/2025 22:05

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 21:58

The level of obsession and fury when she didn’t get her way, on the contract of so many babies dying, is absolutely a red flag

What sort of fury? What was she doing shouting, throwing things, crying?

GoldFishPocketWatch · 04/02/2025 22:06

thatsalad · 04/02/2025 21:37

Well, well, well. Funny how if you dared to say on mumsnet that she might be a scapegoat for a negligent hospital, you were told you only think that because she is white and blonde, but now people are slowly changing their tune.

I would say that whether or not she is a serial killer the hospital was negligent.

Avocando · 04/02/2025 22:06

PeriPeriMam · 04/02/2025 22:04

I feel that anyone who has worked in the NHS would be pretty much unsurprised IF an NHS Trust under pressure and with an unusually high death rate would throw one of its own staff under a bus and perform an enormous witch hunt to try to support a conviction rather than hold hands up to admit any mistakes or unsafe practices.

This colours my opinion of the entire thing.

I mean speak for yourself

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