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Lucy Letby.....she might actually be innocent?!

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Dramatic · 04/02/2025 21:06

I have just watched the full press conference and I'm blown away. There seems to be no actual evidence AT ALL that she killed or injured those babies. This could be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice there has ever been in this country.

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blackandwhitefur · 04/02/2025 22:39

It wouldn't be the first time individuals were thrown under a bus to protect an organisation's reputation.

Oftenaddled · 04/02/2025 22:39

AcquadiP · 04/02/2025 22:12

I didn't see the press conference unfortunately. Was anything said about LL being the only member of staff who was on shift when each of the babies died?

Not that I know of, but of course that could only matter if they were murdered. Let's bear in mind that she wasn't on shift for all deaths on the unit anyway.

She worked mostly nights when consultants weren't available without quite long delays, and the panel identified slow action / recognition of problems by doctors as a factor in the spike in deaths.

SpiritAdder · 04/02/2025 22:39

BIossomtoes · 04/02/2025 22:31

I hope she can get the fair trial she deserves.

With all the media circus she’s never going to get a fairer trial than the two she’s already had.

Two? You mean the trial and the public media circus? She’s only had one trial. All her requests to appeal were denied.

Briannaco · 04/02/2025 22:39

SpiritAdder · 04/02/2025 22:36

The full note was “I killed them because I’m not good enough”. This was not a confession of murder. This was something her therapist instructed her to write while she knew she had been accused of harming the babies. She felt perhaps she could have done better. She has always maintained her innocence.

A therapist wouldn't instruct her to write anything.

A therapist may encourage her to write out her feelings, but a therapist definitely wouldn't tell her what to write

mumandmumber · 04/02/2025 22:40

I have a close friend who is a well respected & highly experienced NHS midwife who pretty much said this to me about a year ago

soupyspoon · 04/02/2025 22:40

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 22:36

IIRC sending obsessively angry texts to colleagues about not getting into nursery 4. Fury can be expressedd in many ways

What was she saying though, Im simply asking the question about the word 'fury' because thats a strong word

Ive been effing and blinding today about a myriad of things at work, my colleagues wouldnt describe me as 'furious' though, its just the bog standard frustrations of the job and day to day work.

Briannaco · 04/02/2025 22:40

mumandmumber · 04/02/2025 22:40

I have a close friend who is a well respected & highly experienced NHS midwife who pretty much said this to me about a year ago

Edited

Said what to you?

MumCanIHaveASnackPlease · 04/02/2025 22:41

Haven’t RTFT so this may have been covered but I’ve always had concerns about this having been a jury trial. I’m not convinced of the ability of Joe Bloggs to adequately scrutinise the complex medical evidence presented in this trial.

Mirabai · 04/02/2025 22:41

LEWWW · 04/02/2025 22:36

I’m on the fence.

Apparently one of the key piece's of evidence was ‘many of the earlier incidents occurred overnight, but when Letby was put onto day shifts, the collapses and deaths began occurring in the day’ - how do you even explain that? Coincidence? Very unlikely- she falsified medical document notes and amended timings, would an innocent person do this? I also think having all those medical documents that she never should have had went against her, over 200 with the excuse ‘she likes to collect paper’?.

the evidence is circumstantial though…and she wasn’t on shift for half of the deaths, she could be completely innocent, being used as a scapegoat for a failing NHS trust, crazier things have happened.

Coincidence and confirmation bias. And the fact that cases were selected as “suspicious” purely because LL was around.

There’s no evidence she falsified medical notes, she was simply accused of doing so where her records conflicted with the prosecution narrative.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/02/2025 22:41

Briannaco · 04/02/2025 22:39

A therapist wouldn't instruct her to write anything.

A therapist may encourage her to write out her feelings, but a therapist definitely wouldn't tell her what to write

Edited

Really? When I had CBT about 30 years ago I used to be given ‘homework’ which involved me having to write down things like 10 negative beliefs I have about myself.

Oftenaddled · 04/02/2025 22:42

FumingTRex · 04/02/2025 22:37

She was found guilty by a jury, that cannot be overturned by medical experts. There was lots of different evidence including her websearches, text messages and notes. Its not a medical question.

It's a medical question whether the babies died natural deaths.

Juries can make the wrong decisions. That why our legal system allows appeals and reviews.

All those high earning experts haven't given their time for free without knowing that there is a use for their work on the case.

Hattieandcake · 04/02/2025 22:42

The people on the panel are not highly qualified or experienced clinically.

There are concerns about it having been an underperforming unit so this is why this narrative is running.

there is no motive for the consultants with concerns to lie.

guilty as sin but wouldn’t be surprised if she gets off.

Matronic6 · 04/02/2025 22:42

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 04/02/2025 22:26

People do it though..... Morbid curiosity it's called. Doesn't make people nasty or evil or weird. Just curious and nosey. I bet even YOU have done it. 😆

She also kept medical notes of the babies that died. Letby claimed she accidentally brought them home and then kept them under her bed.
Because she 'collected paper.' 😐

Topseyt123 · 04/02/2025 22:42

From the "evidence" I have heard, I've yet to be convinced beyond reasonable doubt that any crime actually took place at all, especially in light of today's press conference.

It absolutely must all be re-examined and the decision to deny her leave to appeal revisited.

mumandmumber · 04/02/2025 22:42

Hufflemuff · 04/02/2025 21:10

I felt like this! It was all very circumstantial evidence and I'm so suspicious that there's been a huge cover up to hide consultant and senior nursing fuck ups!

I was waiting for the Netflix documentary (lol) to explain how the evidence actually conclusively proved her guilt.

My previous post was suppsed to quote/reply to this

JandamiHash · 04/02/2025 22:43

blackandwhitefur · 04/02/2025 22:39

It wouldn't be the first time individuals were thrown under a bus to protect an organisation's reputation.

Why would the police be interested in protecting another organisations reputation? The NHS had no say in the investigation or the trial.

Also saying “we had a murderer on the ward who killed 14 babies and we took ages to do anything” is hardly a reputational win.

Also if history has told us anything, it’s that killers have institutional protection. Nobody ever saw a day in prison for Bloody Sunday or the post office scandal and never will. Yet we are meant to believe the NHS picked Letby at random to be their scapegoat?

dragonfliesandbees · 04/02/2025 22:43

SpiritAdder · 04/02/2025 22:39

Two? You mean the trial and the public media circus? She’s only had one trial. All her requests to appeal were denied.

She has had two. There was a retrial for one of the charges the jury failed to reach a verdict on first time round.

SpiritAdder · 04/02/2025 22:43

FumingTRex · 04/02/2025 22:37

She was found guilty by a jury, that cannot be overturned by medical experts. There was lots of different evidence including her websearches, text messages and notes. Its not a medical question.

Ofc it is a medical forensics question.
The panel found there was no evidence any baby was murdered or deliberately harmed.
No victim, no murder.

laveritable · 04/02/2025 22:43

Lucy Letby is as guilty as sin!

Paul2023 · 04/02/2025 22:44

I’ve done jury service . It was a very run of the mill trial so not a long complete , high profile one like this.
But all the jurors I was with , took it seriously and from all walks of life.

The British judiciary system isn’t perfect but I think on balance it works and most of the time the right verdict is reached.

When you watch the barristers summing up on tv programs, it only takes a minute. On my case it took like 45 mins each for both the defence and prosecution to do their final summing up. And again this was a pretty standard case.

Briannaco · 04/02/2025 22:44

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/02/2025 22:41

Really? When I had CBT about 30 years ago I used to be given ‘homework’ which involved me having to write down things like 10 negative beliefs I have about myself.

Yes that's what I said.

Your therapist didn't tell you word for word what to write did she?

She asked you to write down your feelings about yourself.

BIossomtoes · 04/02/2025 22:44

dragonfliesandbees · 04/02/2025 22:43

She has had two. There was a retrial for one of the charges the jury failed to reach a verdict on first time round.

That was what I was alluding to.

Clarabell77 · 04/02/2025 22:45

SpiritAdder · 04/02/2025 22:39

Two? You mean the trial and the public media circus? She’s only had one trial. All her requests to appeal were denied.

She had two trials, the first one they couldn’t agree a verdict on one of the babies and so there was a retrial a bit later when she was then found guilty.

Millyjanice · 04/02/2025 22:45

Briannaco · 04/02/2025 22:09

I think it's weirder when the person is a nurse, and she is looking up the parents of a baby after the baby has died.

But how does that make her a murderer though, without compelling evidence ?

Sounds more and more like a witch hunt doesn’t it ?

Just because someone’s a bit weird , do they deserve to spend the rest of their life in prison ?

In fact “ being weird” would make her more vulnerable to being witch hunted.

Oftenaddled · 04/02/2025 22:46

soupyspoon · 04/02/2025 22:40

What was she saying though, Im simply asking the question about the word 'fury' because thats a strong word

Ive been effing and blinding today about a myriad of things at work, my colleagues wouldnt describe me as 'furious' though, its just the bog standard frustrations of the job and day to day work.

She texted something like, forget it, you don't understand unless you knew [the baby who died] Just thought people could be more supportive.

The prosecution argued that this shows she was in the mood to murder another child ten minutes later.

And that is the worst they could find in all her texts.

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