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AIBU for standing my ground on this wedding issue

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WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 13:17

Hi all, just looking for a little bit of insight/advice. Apologies in advance for the length of the post.

My partner and I are engaged and in the early stages of wedding planning. For background: we are both technically catholic and so are both of our families, however, none of us are practicing at all. So, I was surprised when my partner brought up that he wanted to get married in a church. I pushed back on this at the time with a variety of reasons including, neither of us being religious (he hasn't been to mass outside of having to go with school when he was younger), I have a lot of issues with organised religion generally, I prefer humanist ceremonies as they focus more on the couple. Just to name a few of my points.

The only reason he could give for a church wedding was that his parents had a church wedding and he sees it as traditional. I told him that if I believed for a second it was that important to him I would absolutely consider it and probably do it, however, as he hasn't been to church the entire time I've known him (despite there being a church a 2 minute walk from our house) I felt he was requesting it for the wrong reasons and it wasn't enough to make me compromise on my strong feelings against getting married in a church. I thought we had put the issue to bed because in the months since that conversation he didn't mention it again, didn't start attending mass to show that it is important to him and while visiting venues we've been talking in terms of the entire day being held there.

On Sunday we went to his parents for dinner and after the meal his mum asked me if we had decided where we were getting married ie, ceremony at the venue or in a church and I responded that I think it will all be at the venue as it's more convenient and I have no interest in a church wedding. I mentioned that my partner would like a church wedding but that I felt it didn't make sense as neither of us are practicing catholics. His mum genuinely didn't seem bothered either way as she is actually protestant but was married in a catholic church because it was what fiance's dad wanted, despite her own parents being unhappy with the decision.

However, his dad then piped up and started ranting on about although he didn't attend mass he still felt it was important to be married in the church and felt it was more special for the wedding to be blessed by god and really put down the idea of "just a legal marriage". I bit my tongue so as not to embarrass my fiancé and cause a row. He then said "What about when you have kids? Will they be raised catholic?" I responded that it didn't make much sense to me to raise potential children as catholic when we are not practicing catholics ourselves but that fiance and I would discuss it if we have children. His dad glanced at my fiance and said "I'd be putting my foot down about that". That comment absolutely enraged me and I did snap back "You don't get to put your foot down and neither does fiance". At that point fiance agreed and told his dad to drop it.

It's now caused a massive row between fiance and I which ended with me telling him that he's a hyopcrite and so is his dad to be making such an issue about a religion they don't follow in any way, shape or form. I'm also raging that his dad felt he had the right to try and intimidate me at the dinner table to get his way when our wedding and how we raise any children we might have are nothing to do with him!

I have compromised in regards to the wedding. I'm shy and self conscious so the typical big wedding has never been appealing to me but I knew it was important to my fiance and what he'd always envisioned so I've jumped on board with that, and have been happy to do it for him so with this church thing I just don't think I can concede.

Any thoughts or advice would be so appreciated as I'm so angry just now I can hardly think.

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LlynTegid · 04/02/2025 17:50

CharlotteCChapel · 04/02/2025 17:43

I'm an atheist and got married in church. DH was semi religious and said he wouldn't have felt married if we'd gone to the registry office ( the only option back then)

I am glad that Gyles Brandreth when an MP introduced the law that gives the options for a wedding venue that we have now. One of the few good things a Tory MP has done in many years.

NotaRealHousewife · 04/02/2025 17:52

In all seriousness OP talk to him, explain your reasons and see what he says

Weddings can do the strangest things to people

Pottedpalm · 04/02/2025 17:52

ERthree · 04/02/2025 16:46

Why can't you both compromise, wedding at a venue and a Priest to conduct the ceremony.

A priest will not do tjis.

Nanny0gg · 04/02/2025 17:58

MsMarch · 04/02/2025 13:53

I see two separate issues

issue 1 - FIL is a complete misogynist ridiculous wanker and you were totally right to tell him to go away.

Issue 2 - lot sof peopel who aren' tin the slightest bit religious still want to get married in a church and I think that it's totally fine for you NOT to want to get married ina church but your fiance doesn't need to suddenly start attending church weekly to justify wanting that tradition.

I am not religious at ALL. we got married int he church of DH's family (who aren't particularly religious either). i liked getting married in a church and was happy to do it. I also (wrongly) thought it would also appease the more religious members of my family (turned out they all thought that by getting married in DH's church it was no better than if I just hadn't got married in a church at all. Sigh).

The church would probably want him to attend.

eatreadsleeprepeat · 04/02/2025 18:05

WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 17:30

It is such a terrible mindset! My dad's Catholic and supports celtic as well but not to this degree that he would let it infringe on real life.

And thank you so much for all of that! I doubt it would help, my logic hasn't gotten me anywhere thus far! A non white dress is probably the next offence I'll be causing to his dad. I'll maybe hear about that at the next dinner lol!

Have you considered a nice bright rangers blue. Or even🧡😂.

NotaRealHousewife · 04/02/2025 18:07

@eatreadsleeprepeat 🤣

RunningJo · 04/02/2025 18:10

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 13:46

You don't sound shy at all. You sound very domineering. You should have let your fiancé deal with his parents. How would you like him to speak to your parents like that?

How about how her FIL spoke to her? I’m all for respecting people, but not when they’re out and out rude. Not sure OP needs to shut up and let a man speak for her when it was her that the comment was addressed to.

OP you did right answering back, but I also think you and your fiancé have some talking to do ref the wedding planning.

justasking111 · 04/02/2025 18:12

When you said Scotland, Glasgow, football the penny dropped. We're all rugby mad in Wales but the church doesn't intrude.

I suggest that you both go to the church have a sit down, look around to see how you feel. I sometimes bob into our local one. It's very peaceful. To be honest the church service was such a whirl I barely recalled it afterwards.

If you want to keep your name professionally then do so. I wouldn't want different names for my children though. My GP friend does this and it works well.

WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 18:17

justasking111 · 04/02/2025 18:12

When you said Scotland, Glasgow, football the penny dropped. We're all rugby mad in Wales but the church doesn't intrude.

I suggest that you both go to the church have a sit down, look around to see how you feel. I sometimes bob into our local one. It's very peaceful. To be honest the church service was such a whirl I barely recalled it afterwards.

If you want to keep your name professionally then do so. I wouldn't want different names for my children though. My GP friend does this and it works well.

So I would want my children to have my name and wouldn't want to take that from him so I suggested I could double barrel or something to allow me to keep my tie to my family but he wasn't having it. So I don't think he'd be happy for me to keep it professionally either. And reading that back, it really does sound awful!

And I'm just sick to my stomach now at the thought of giving up my lovely dad's name to take the name of fiancé's dad who I now know doesn't respect me.

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justasking111 · 04/02/2025 18:20

WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 18:17

So I would want my children to have my name and wouldn't want to take that from him so I suggested I could double barrel or something to allow me to keep my tie to my family but he wasn't having it. So I don't think he'd be happy for me to keep it professionally either. And reading that back, it really does sound awful!

And I'm just sick to my stomach now at the thought of giving up my lovely dad's name to take the name of fiancé's dad who I now know doesn't respect me.

Then don't. It remains your professional name. Which a lot of women do.

CallMeFlo · 04/02/2025 18:22

WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 18:17

So I would want my children to have my name and wouldn't want to take that from him so I suggested I could double barrel or something to allow me to keep my tie to my family but he wasn't having it. So I don't think he'd be happy for me to keep it professionally either. And reading that back, it really does sound awful!

And I'm just sick to my stomach now at the thought of giving up my lovely dad's name to take the name of fiancé's dad who I now know doesn't respect me.

So keep it. Tell him he has 3 options. You double barrel or you'll keep your own name or option 3 you don't bother getting married and future children will have your name

thepariscrimefiles · 04/02/2025 18:23

WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 18:17

So I would want my children to have my name and wouldn't want to take that from him so I suggested I could double barrel or something to allow me to keep my tie to my family but he wasn't having it. So I don't think he'd be happy for me to keep it professionally either. And reading that back, it really does sound awful!

And I'm just sick to my stomach now at the thought of giving up my lovely dad's name to take the name of fiancé's dad who I now know doesn't respect me.

Your fiance is sounding worse with each post. Any suggestions that you have made, your fiance isn't having it. If you want to keep your name professionally, surely that is your decision? How does it affect him? Obviously apart from his neanderthal, sectarian dad sticking his oar in.

IButtleSir · 04/02/2025 18:26

I have conceded on giving up my name when I don't want to

No no no no no no no absolutely fucking not. Do not marry a man who expects you to change YOUR name against YOUR wishes. Why on earth did you give in to this?!

IButtleSir · 04/02/2025 18:30

WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 18:17

So I would want my children to have my name and wouldn't want to take that from him so I suggested I could double barrel or something to allow me to keep my tie to my family but he wasn't having it. So I don't think he'd be happy for me to keep it professionally either. And reading that back, it really does sound awful!

And I'm just sick to my stomach now at the thought of giving up my lovely dad's name to take the name of fiancé's dad who I now know doesn't respect me.

I want you to read this back to yourself. Over and over again. I really hope you are about to stop yourself from making a terrible mistake.

Saggyknickers · 04/02/2025 18:37

When I kept my maiden name after marrying dh couldn't have cared less. I just couldn't be bothered changing my name on all official documents etc.

Any man who is bothered about shit like this in this day and age needs his gf to think very seriously before entering into marriage. It's not a good sign at all.

It sounds like he's possibly harbouring the same misogynistic and archaic views as his dad.

VelociraptorsVelociRapping · 04/02/2025 18:39

WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 18:17

So I would want my children to have my name and wouldn't want to take that from him so I suggested I could double barrel or something to allow me to keep my tie to my family but he wasn't having it. So I don't think he'd be happy for me to keep it professionally either. And reading that back, it really does sound awful!

And I'm just sick to my stomach now at the thought of giving up my lovely dad's name to take the name of fiancé's dad who I now know doesn't respect me.

🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

Barbarana · 04/02/2025 18:41

I'm sorry OP but I think you're on a hiding to nothing with this.

I was brought up C of E and courted a Catholic chap when I lived in Liverpool. We were both practising and after a year realised it just wasn't going to work out.
There was just too much family opposition.

I wish you all the best, whatever you decide to do.

mathanxiety · 04/02/2025 18:41

WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 18:17

So I would want my children to have my name and wouldn't want to take that from him so I suggested I could double barrel or something to allow me to keep my tie to my family but he wasn't having it. So I don't think he'd be happy for me to keep it professionally either. And reading that back, it really does sound awful!

And I'm just sick to my stomach now at the thought of giving up my lovely dad's name to take the name of fiancé's dad who I now know doesn't respect me.

Honestly, this entire relationship is a slow-motion train crash.

Call off the wedding, and if I were you, I'd be reconsidering the relationship. You've heard things you can never unhear, and you've seen a side of your fiance you will never unsee.

justasking111 · 04/02/2025 18:43

Keeping your maiden name is a good idea security wise these days. Confuses stalkers, disgruntled clients, customers. Women keep theirs on FB so why not in the workplace.

justasking111 · 04/02/2025 18:44

My friend works for a housing association with some very challenging clients her maiden name stayed. Another is a solicitor, she kept hers.

Barbarana · 04/02/2025 18:45

@mathanxiety Call off the wedding, and if I were you, I'd be reconsidering the relationship. You've heard things you can never unhear, and you've seen a side of your fiance you will never unsee.

This is one of the reasons for an engagement, to prepare for marriage and discuss the details. This can be when snags come to the surface and it's a test to see how the couple navigate these.

I'm sorry x

Frangela · 04/02/2025 18:52

WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 18:17

So I would want my children to have my name and wouldn't want to take that from him so I suggested I could double barrel or something to allow me to keep my tie to my family but he wasn't having it. So I don't think he'd be happy for me to keep it professionally either. And reading that back, it really does sound awful!

And I'm just sick to my stomach now at the thought of giving up my lovely dad's name to take the name of fiancé's dad who I now know doesn't respect me.

It’s not your dad’s name. It’s your name. Your birth name. He doesn’t get a say in whether you continue to use your birth name, or sole naming rights over your children.

I agree with @mathanxiety. You’d be crazy to go ahead with this wedding to a man who has no interest in you or your wishes.

BourbonsAreOverated · 04/02/2025 18:54

Has he made any compromises for you?
or is it all you backing down?

im unmarried and this sort of shit is part of the reason why. Honestly, is this worth it? The further in you get, the more your being forced to back down.

don’t give up your name you’ll resent it every time you have to give it.

WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 18:54

Barbarana · 04/02/2025 18:45

@mathanxiety Call off the wedding, and if I were you, I'd be reconsidering the relationship. You've heard things you can never unhear, and you've seen a side of your fiance you will never unsee.

This is one of the reasons for an engagement, to prepare for marriage and discuss the details. This can be when snags come to the surface and it's a test to see how the couple navigate these.

I'm sorry x

Yeah I do agree. I'm not making any decisions right now. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how he handles this with his dad and take it from there. No option is off the table for me because I absolutely would call it all off if he didn't prove himself as a real teammate to me but we've been together for 5 years so I won't be rash about it. I can only hope that now his dad's controlling ways are out in the open and that he's overstepped fiancé will put a stop to it. But we shall see.

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WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 18:55

Just want to say, I appreciate everyone's responses and thank you to everyone who has given me the benefit of the doubt when reading my post x

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