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AIBU for standing my ground on this wedding issue

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WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 13:17

Hi all, just looking for a little bit of insight/advice. Apologies in advance for the length of the post.

My partner and I are engaged and in the early stages of wedding planning. For background: we are both technically catholic and so are both of our families, however, none of us are practicing at all. So, I was surprised when my partner brought up that he wanted to get married in a church. I pushed back on this at the time with a variety of reasons including, neither of us being religious (he hasn't been to mass outside of having to go with school when he was younger), I have a lot of issues with organised religion generally, I prefer humanist ceremonies as they focus more on the couple. Just to name a few of my points.

The only reason he could give for a church wedding was that his parents had a church wedding and he sees it as traditional. I told him that if I believed for a second it was that important to him I would absolutely consider it and probably do it, however, as he hasn't been to church the entire time I've known him (despite there being a church a 2 minute walk from our house) I felt he was requesting it for the wrong reasons and it wasn't enough to make me compromise on my strong feelings against getting married in a church. I thought we had put the issue to bed because in the months since that conversation he didn't mention it again, didn't start attending mass to show that it is important to him and while visiting venues we've been talking in terms of the entire day being held there.

On Sunday we went to his parents for dinner and after the meal his mum asked me if we had decided where we were getting married ie, ceremony at the venue or in a church and I responded that I think it will all be at the venue as it's more convenient and I have no interest in a church wedding. I mentioned that my partner would like a church wedding but that I felt it didn't make sense as neither of us are practicing catholics. His mum genuinely didn't seem bothered either way as she is actually protestant but was married in a catholic church because it was what fiance's dad wanted, despite her own parents being unhappy with the decision.

However, his dad then piped up and started ranting on about although he didn't attend mass he still felt it was important to be married in the church and felt it was more special for the wedding to be blessed by god and really put down the idea of "just a legal marriage". I bit my tongue so as not to embarrass my fiancé and cause a row. He then said "What about when you have kids? Will they be raised catholic?" I responded that it didn't make much sense to me to raise potential children as catholic when we are not practicing catholics ourselves but that fiance and I would discuss it if we have children. His dad glanced at my fiance and said "I'd be putting my foot down about that". That comment absolutely enraged me and I did snap back "You don't get to put your foot down and neither does fiance". At that point fiance agreed and told his dad to drop it.

It's now caused a massive row between fiance and I which ended with me telling him that he's a hyopcrite and so is his dad to be making such an issue about a religion they don't follow in any way, shape or form. I'm also raging that his dad felt he had the right to try and intimidate me at the dinner table to get his way when our wedding and how we raise any children we might have are nothing to do with him!

I have compromised in regards to the wedding. I'm shy and self conscious so the typical big wedding has never been appealing to me but I knew it was important to my fiance and what he'd always envisioned so I've jumped on board with that, and have been happy to do it for him so with this church thing I just don't think I can concede.

Any thoughts or advice would be so appreciated as I'm so angry just now I can hardly think.

OP posts:
Geesgirl · 04/02/2025 16:22

FIL is a separate issue.

You're going to have to learn how to compromise if you don't want a doomed marriage.

Now is a good time to talk to your boyfriend about how you want to raise any children you might have.

Feel a bit sorry for the boyfriend if I'm honest.

FunDenimFatball · 04/02/2025 16:23

I was wondering were you Scottish and was this west or east coast issue

Thats a whole different battle your dealing with

Are they season ticket holders or armchair supporters?

Nationsss · 04/02/2025 16:23

Giving up your name?
Are you absolutely mad?

35 years ago I got married this wasn't even a discussion between us, and was only mentioned by an aunt and I confirmed of course I would be keeping my own name.

Why would you agree to take the name of a weak weasel man who is afraid of his dad....sectarian football????

Bloody hell, what a shower.🙄

WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 16:24

Daleksatemyshed · 04/02/2025 16:19

The wedding is becoming a bit of a side issue her Op because I'd be far more worried about your partners need to keep in his Father's good books. It's obvious his DF has been talking him into a Catholic wedding for some time and he's going to be just the same about Baptisms, going to a Catholic school and his DGC being raised in his church. Your DP may say it's just the wedding but I can see this being a problem in the future Op, if your DP isn't willing to stand up for your views now then how can you trust he'll do it in the future?

Edited

So that's my worry. I genuinely don't believe my fiance is a misogynist but I do believe he desperately wants to make his parents happy. I didn't know his dad had been pushing this when he initially brought it up to me so I was really confused. So now I am really worrying that he won't back me up ever and everything's going to be a fight with his dad.

I will try speak to him again and will give him the benefit of the doubt for now since he did eventually speak up and agree with me because there may be more to the father son dynamic than what I've been shown and it may have been difficult. So although it seemed a bit weak at the time it could have taken him a lot of courage to say anything.

This is just all very alien to me because my parents are really easy going. They would be happy whatever we ended up doing. They're just happy we're getting married and want us to have a nice day.

OP posts:
WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 16:24

FunDenimFatball · 04/02/2025 16:23

I was wondering were you Scottish and was this west or east coast issue

Thats a whole different battle your dealing with

Are they season ticket holders or armchair supporters?

Season ticket!

OP posts:
ridl14 · 04/02/2025 16:28

WisteriaGardens · 04/02/2025 13:17

Hi all, just looking for a little bit of insight/advice. Apologies in advance for the length of the post.

My partner and I are engaged and in the early stages of wedding planning. For background: we are both technically catholic and so are both of our families, however, none of us are practicing at all. So, I was surprised when my partner brought up that he wanted to get married in a church. I pushed back on this at the time with a variety of reasons including, neither of us being religious (he hasn't been to mass outside of having to go with school when he was younger), I have a lot of issues with organised religion generally, I prefer humanist ceremonies as they focus more on the couple. Just to name a few of my points.

The only reason he could give for a church wedding was that his parents had a church wedding and he sees it as traditional. I told him that if I believed for a second it was that important to him I would absolutely consider it and probably do it, however, as he hasn't been to church the entire time I've known him (despite there being a church a 2 minute walk from our house) I felt he was requesting it for the wrong reasons and it wasn't enough to make me compromise on my strong feelings against getting married in a church. I thought we had put the issue to bed because in the months since that conversation he didn't mention it again, didn't start attending mass to show that it is important to him and while visiting venues we've been talking in terms of the entire day being held there.

On Sunday we went to his parents for dinner and after the meal his mum asked me if we had decided where we were getting married ie, ceremony at the venue or in a church and I responded that I think it will all be at the venue as it's more convenient and I have no interest in a church wedding. I mentioned that my partner would like a church wedding but that I felt it didn't make sense as neither of us are practicing catholics. His mum genuinely didn't seem bothered either way as she is actually protestant but was married in a catholic church because it was what fiance's dad wanted, despite her own parents being unhappy with the decision.

However, his dad then piped up and started ranting on about although he didn't attend mass he still felt it was important to be married in the church and felt it was more special for the wedding to be blessed by god and really put down the idea of "just a legal marriage". I bit my tongue so as not to embarrass my fiancé and cause a row. He then said "What about when you have kids? Will they be raised catholic?" I responded that it didn't make much sense to me to raise potential children as catholic when we are not practicing catholics ourselves but that fiance and I would discuss it if we have children. His dad glanced at my fiance and said "I'd be putting my foot down about that". That comment absolutely enraged me and I did snap back "You don't get to put your foot down and neither does fiance". At that point fiance agreed and told his dad to drop it.

It's now caused a massive row between fiance and I which ended with me telling him that he's a hyopcrite and so is his dad to be making such an issue about a religion they don't follow in any way, shape or form. I'm also raging that his dad felt he had the right to try and intimidate me at the dinner table to get his way when our wedding and how we raise any children we might have are nothing to do with him!

I have compromised in regards to the wedding. I'm shy and self conscious so the typical big wedding has never been appealing to me but I knew it was important to my fiance and what he'd always envisioned so I've jumped on board with that, and have been happy to do it for him so with this church thing I just don't think I can concede.

Any thoughts or advice would be so appreciated as I'm so angry just now I can hardly think.

As a Catholic who did get married in the church, YA absolutely NBA!! Outrageous behaviour from FIL and your fiancé clearly really hasn't thought it through. Let alone the fact that the church would expect you to go through pre-Cana sessions together and make a vow to raise any children Catholic.

Absolutely nothing wrong with a civil ceremony when neither of you especially fiancé (or even FIL, is that right?!) attend Mass.

I'd say you're treating the religion with far more respect understanding it's not just about a tick box on the day or a pretty venue. And I'm sure your civil venue is beautiful!

Definitely stop discussing it at all with FIL and get on the same page with fiancé before making any further plans

snotathing · 04/02/2025 16:30

I imagine all the guests at the wedding would know that neither of you are practising Catholics and not think highly of you for pretending you are just to be married in a more traditional venue. They would know your vows were based on a lie. It wouldn't be how I would want to start a marriage.

FunDenimFatball · 04/02/2025 16:31

At least he puts his money where his mouth is. You have my sympathy that's his church. If he is the latest in the line of supporters you will find heels are dug in.

I'm RC and the minute I get a sniff of spelling with "h" in words or references to paradise people go right down in my eyes not sure if the East coast is quite so bad.

I lost the name thing back in 1997 but it was just becoming the thing to keep your name. I changed back when we split up

Saggyknickers · 04/02/2025 16:31

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 13:46

You don't sound shy at all. You sound very domineering. You should have let your fiancé deal with his parents. How would you like him to speak to your parents like that?

Don't be so fucking ridiculous, her FIL to be was way out of line and she stuck up for herself. Don't hold other people to your low standards.

I agree with you OP - performance religion (i.e. never setting foot in church except to marry, christen your children etc) does my head in, it's so hypocritical.

FunDenimFatball · 04/02/2025 16:33

snotathing · 04/02/2025 16:30

I imagine all the guests at the wedding would know that neither of you are practising Catholics and not think highly of you for pretending you are just to be married in a more traditional venue. They would know your vows were based on a lie. It wouldn't be how I would want to start a marriage.

Not where we stay it is tribal and expected.

custardpyjamas · 04/02/2025 16:36

Can you get the wedding blessed in church just to keep everyone on board. It seems a shame for the whole family to fall out over this.

SerenStarEtoile · 04/02/2025 16:37

Oh dear, OP.

This is rather beginning to sound like enveloping your marriage in the grip of Catholicism and wanting plenty of little sprogs to continue the football faith.

I would be tempted for the compromise to be a marriage in non-denominational church abroad, just you and him and a holiday. Big party when you get back.

My DB and SIL had theirs in Las Vegas chapel. She boxed all their wedding stuff and sent it to the hotel in LV while they toured for 15 days and the last 2 days was wedding, wedding lunch, wedding everything else (they were given comp tickets all over and she wore the dress everywhere!) then flew back and the party was a week later. They thoroughly enjoyed it!

BigDeepBreaths · 04/02/2025 16:39

GrumpyPanda · 04/02/2025 13:37

Your FIL is way out of line. But your attitude towards your fiancé strikes me as patronizing. You're policing what you- yourself a non-practicing Catholic - deem sincere enough to deserve a Church wedding. Out of interest, would that require weekly mass attendance? It's odd how many atheists/agnostics always seem to agree with the most rabid Ultra-orthodox on what should define religious attachment. It's perfectly legitimate to attend church sporadically - your quintessential high holidays, weddings, and funerals - and yet be sincere about wanting these occasions in your life, and I suspect any truly seasoned priest would agree - they don't tend to turn down couples or bereaved families, and that's because they'd be bad at their jobs if they only cater to the few old ladies in their pews every single Sunday. If they don't judge why would you?

I dont think the OP is patronising at all. And to be fair, if she was its probably justified as her DH is a fairweather catholic and a massive hypocrite.

“Tradition” is something you do as a family again and again - like maybe go to mass weekly! My IL’s ran away to Singapore to get married. Doesnt make it tradtional any more than a catholic marriage for the OPs future DH.

You dont get to cherry pick the best bits of religion (weddings/christenings/access to the local outstanding catholic state school etc). You either believe or you dont, or if you’re unsure, you invest some time in attending mass and exploring what it means to you.

Both catholic churches in my area are wise to this and require couples to take courses and demonstrate attendance before weddings and baptisms. The pews are packed most weekends (because the catholics continue to provide an above average education).

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 16:40

@Saggyknickers - nobody who knows me would say I was a shrinking violet. But these people are going to be the OP's in-laws. Leave the drama to the fiancé this early

atesomanybananas · 04/02/2025 16:42

As someone else has mentioned, could you have a civil service and then a church blessing. DH and I did that and had an awesome day. He wanted the civil ceremony, and I wanted the church - I am NOT a practising "anything", but do believe in God and wanted that part for me. So we did both. DH was very happy to go along with it. A compromise, and that's exactly what marriage should be (and still is, for us, over 30 years later).

3sthemagicnumber · 04/02/2025 16:45

Mainly wanted to say well done to you for standing up to your partner's dad at that lunch - sounds like it's not something that comes naturally to you, and was very much the right call.
I'm an ex-catholic. I would have found getting married/blessed in a catholic church to keep people happy considerably more difficult than having a different Christian/other faith blessing. I'm not sure if it's because disentangling yourself from Catholicism is quite difficult, or because I wouldn't want to disrespect the church I grew up in (which I don't have a lot of respect for, oddly!). I think feelings about religion - possibly particularly about Catholicism - are individual and hard to unpick. It may well be hugely important to your future FIL that his son is married in church, and that may be a hard thing for him to unpick, but if his son is marrying you, that can't possibly trump your feelings.
Also, I changed my name because my DH wanted me to. (Married for 25 years - he's lovely, not at all difficult or controlling or any of the other things that statement implies.) I don't regret it, exactly, but I'm not sure I'd make the same decision again and I hope my daughters will make different choices (though I completely respect their right to make any choices they want).

VelociraptorsVelociRapping · 04/02/2025 16:45

A Catholic convalidation is not a 'blessing' as you might encounter it in an Anglican church. I cannot emphasise this enough. It would not address any of OP's misgivings.

ERthree · 04/02/2025 16:46

Why can't you both compromise, wedding at a venue and a Priest to conduct the ceremony.

Daleksatemyshed · 04/02/2025 16:47

@WisteriaGardens it's quite telling that your future MIL wasn't Catholic but converted for her DH, your future FIL no doubt thinks that was only right and proper. You already seem to be making a lot of concessions for your DPs sake but don't let it go too far, marriage is all about compromise but you should both be making them, not just you. Until you've talked this out properly I'd be dropping the wedding talk, maybe that will remind your DP who he's supposed to be putting first

Saggyknickers · 04/02/2025 16:48

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 16:40

@Saggyknickers - nobody who knows me would say I was a shrinking violet. But these people are going to be the OP's in-laws. Leave the drama to the fiancé this early

Well considering the DP sounds like a wet lettuce who doesn't stand up to his df that isn't going to work is it?

VelociraptorsVelociRapping · 04/02/2025 16:49

ERthree · 04/02/2025 16:46

Why can't you both compromise, wedding at a venue and a Priest to conduct the ceremony.

Catholic weddings are a sacrament and can only take place in a consecrated Catholic church.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/02/2025 16:52

It's clearer to me since the dinner that it's because he wants to please his dad. He admitted last night his dad has been pushing this topic when I'm not there basically since we got engaged

Yes, I thought that would be the case, and you're absolutely right to be rethinking this if you don't want your entire life to be run by DP's dad and his deep unpleasantness

Like everyone else DP is fully entitled to his opinion, but not all opinions are created equal and I'm afraid I wouldn't put too much weight on that of someone who never goes to church insisting on a wedding there - especially when they get "huffy" when it's discussed and clearly don't appreciate the hypocrisy

Tread carefully OP; it's not the first time religious dogma will have raised its head once a marriage is on the cards, and if you want to avoid it creeping into everything it's best to start as you mean to go on

Nationsss · 04/02/2025 16:53

luckylavender · 04/02/2025 16:40

@Saggyknickers - nobody who knows me would say I was a shrinking violet. But these people are going to be the OP's in-laws. Leave the drama to the fiancé this early

The thing is that it is her drama the minute she is silly enough to marry into such a set up.

Have you really no idea how unbelievably rude his father was about shutting her down... in front of her?

I have never heard the like of it.

Misogynistic pigs like that man will have an opinion on everything once she marrys in to their family.

No getting away from it and her husband is clearly hugely intimidated by it.

She can't pretend she didn't know what they are like and what he comes from with an attitude like that on display to her face.

heyhopotato · 04/02/2025 16:54

I can't stand being told what to do, this would immediately make me tell them I'd converted to Islam and had booked a mosque for the wedding.

bugalugs45 · 04/02/2025 16:54

In stark contrast my sister got married in a church , purely for photos, she didn't tell the vicar that, but did have to attend several times and help out with church events !
She's not set foot in a church since , 15 years ago now lol

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