Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico

[Rainingalldayonmyhead]

Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico.

He says it’s because of phen and illegal immigration - less than 1% come from Canada.

This will have significant implications for the Canadian economy, the American economy and by domino the world. Not to mention the fact it could start a significant trade war.

The US doesn’t subsidise Canada - they buy Canadian goods. Approx 40% of their crude oil comes from Canada for example.

There is also an agreed trade deal between the US/Canada and Mexico that Trump agreed to and signed in his first years in office.

YABU - it doesn’t matter to me
YANBU - let’s stand up to a bully and support our allies

Yes but you have to believe that he will stick to the terms of any new agreement, the fall out from this has been a renewed patriotism in Canada, is that what he wanted?

Thanks for links, it makes more sense now.

Trump is treating America's allies far worse than he is treating its enemies (25% tariffs on Canada but only 10% tariffs on China). Hopefully, this will lead to the UK building much stronger ties with the EU.

Thankfully, Canada and Mexico are fighting back.

Yeah, I'm sceptical too. I don't think he means 51st state with the same status as Alaska or Hawaii. I think it's more a colony idea than anything else.

Maybe he has a different notion as to who friends and foes are... and that is an issue.

And re chlorinated chicken - let's not forget it's a necessary hygiene measure for battery-raised chicken as the animal welfare standards are so low, un-chlorinated poultry in those conditions carry too high a risk of salmonella. Let that sink in as to what that means for the poor animals and for the quality of what Americans on a low budget have to eat.
And that is from someone who travels there a lot. I usually rent serviced apartments and make my own food if I can. Organic food is available but very pricy.

I'm American but live in the UK, and I have to say, I hope these countries don't back down and give in to him - i.e. come to the table and give him what he can spin as having 'won bigly.' I hate to say this, but I think his voters need to actually experience some pain from their choice or they'll never wake up.

He campaigned and won on lies and social division, but the acceptable face of being a Trump voter was to say it was about the economy. Now let's all live in a Trump economy for a while and see how it goes.

Truthfully, I'm more worried about the systematic dismantling of government and checks and balances and institutions than tariffs.

TempestTost · Today 10:39

The USA can and does sell food in the EU and Britain, as long as they don't have hormone and drug residues. The USA recently lifted their ban on haggis, although offal is still prohibited in it.

That's not the same as tariffs. For phytosanitary bans, many countries have them, I'm thinking of Australia and NZ, in particular.

Never mind 51, hopefully the Hawaiian people can gain their freedom and the white settler state will be down to 49.

Too late for the Native people as they have been largely eviscerated after the ethnic cleansing with the remainder forced into cages where they live today, but the Hawaiins are still there, and there is hope of achieving what that late great Hawaiin singer and independence activist Israel Kamakawiwoʻole (famous for his rendition of "over the rainbow") always wished for.

I get your point.
What I meant was that I don't think that Canada would have the same voting rights...

Not in a million years are we (Canada) going to become a US state - why on earth would we? It’s not up to Trump to dictate to other countries - he can shout but we’re not listening!

Why on earth would you want to? I am a little worried you're going to elect that far right guy, though.

Do you sense the same worrying tides of a drift rightward as the US/Europe?

If he imposes tariffs on the EU they will just impose the same back. Obviously. I really don't think U.K will import that chlorinated chicken etc - people just don't eat it. There is a massive shift towards electric vehicles in U.K. - nobody wants or needs their diesel guzzling monstrosities. The roads in U.K. aren't built for them. America will find itself a pariah, cut off from its allies and China. The country is a laughing stock - watching Trump theatrically signing his directives with his Sharpie pen is like a bad comedy sketch. I feel sorry for non-MAGA in the US. The whole 'drill baby drill' agenda will leave them on the wrong side of progress while the rest of the globe get ahead of the curve with green initiatives. The man is beyond ridiculous and the pathetic sycophants around him are too embarrassing to watch. Gulf of America indeed. Good luck taking Greenland you muppet.

Obviously. I really don't think U.K will import that chlorinated chicken etc / people just don't eat it.

People will eat it, your DC will eat it at school, hospitals, prisons, restaurants, fast food chains, they all want cheap chicken. If we import US chicken, it won't be labelled.

I don't think the U.K. are that desperate they would import that chicken. It would be a massive vote loser. People are eating less meat anyway. Plus farmer are up in arms as it is. Nor would UK suddenly agree to import the cereals that have all the additives and high sugar content. Why start doing that now when they never did before? Nobody needs it.

There is a massive shift towards electric vehicles in U.K. - nobody wants or needs their diesel guzzling monstrosities.

There are 200,000 Teslas on the road in the UK. Most will have been made in the US, though the Brandenburg factory does manufacture Model Y vehicles.

Tesla is the best selling EV brand in the UK.

Elon Musk's company, of course.

I'm not against tariffs necessarily, but these ones are problematic for (at least) 2 reasons

Firstly, tariffs are usually targeted to specific industries, not to (almost) all goods like Trump has done now. Only last year the US, Canada, and EU imposed tariffs on Chinese electric cars to protect their own car industries as they felt the Chinese state was unfairly propping up its own car industry, enabling Chinese brands to sell cars at much lower prices. Putting a tariff on every good from a country is unusual though and is clearly not done with economics in mind.

Canada, the US and mexican have a trade agreement (CUSMA, which replaced NAFTA). Signing a trade agreement that specifies certain rules and then ripping that up to unilaterally impose tariffs pisses people off. Trump is not playing by the rules basically.

But RFK Jr. has the task of making Americans healthy again, removing nasties from the food chain, why would the UK want to make to have this chemical ridden chicken, a few years ago the majority UK supermarkets declared they weren't going to stock it. At my DC's school there would be utter hell over this, they raised a fuss over laddered tights not being allowed to be worn as many parents decided it was anti-feminist, let alone something like this!

Except we are that desperate. We were p desperate for a trade deal, any trade deal after Brexit and gave Australia a deal for their meat that even they couldn't believe. We do import their sugary crap cereal. We don't allow high fructose corn syrup which is deadly. RFK Jnr wants to stop Big Food in the US so they will start peddling their crappy food to the rest of us. We need to refuse to allow it, and stop pandering to Trump. Americans will have to suffer. They voted him in and they will have to face the consequences of what they voted for. The rest of the world didn't vote for him, so we need to stand up to him.

It just seems like such a regressive policy, as ultimately it's non-progressive taxation on those who can least afford it. I don't know what percentage of fruit & veg in the US is from Mexico, but I'm guessing it's quite high.

How did I miss this nugget?

Let's dissect this.

A white settler state who ethnically cleansed and murdered millions of Native people who owned the land, and forced those who survived this genocide into reservations (cages as Hitler admiringly called them).

And who would work this now emptied land? Enslaved Africans of course, millions of them, providing wealth for the elite planter class (slave owners like jefferson, washington et al.) to work their vast plantations of stolen, fertile land.

Meanwhile the rest of the land, the leftovers, went to the poor whites.

The white elites, the top 1%, have continued to cream in most of the wealth.

The rest of the white people, 95%, most live in cheaply made wooden homes (which often get blown over in tornadoes), many have no health insurance (and those who do have to fork out a huge whack of their income), and work longer hours (for their masters) than the rest of us in the world and with fewer holidays.

The elite love gullible folk like you. "Just work hard to achieve your dreams". What, a wooden home, long hours, multiple jobs, fewer holidays, and if you get sick you are screwed unless you are paid the extortionate health insurance premiums (see that head of one of the health insurance companies who was shot dead in New York a few weeks back, and the many who celebrated it, as to the feeling of anger in how the public are being taken advantage of by the elites).

Millions cannot afford health insurance and often have to beg for handouts (like that 1984 gold medal winning gymnast Mary Lou Retton (gold aided with the Oympic boycott of all the top eastern bloc Europeans who were the best), she had to use crowdfunding to pay for her medical expenses after having pneumonia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/12/health/mary-lou-retton-medical-bills-crowdfunding.html

An Olympic gold medallist, with the begging bowl, to pay for being able to live.

As George Carlin said, the american dream? You have to be asleep to believe it.

Black people in america meanwhile own 1.5% of national wealth despite being 14% of the population.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/06/19/why-racial-wealth-gap-persists-more-than-years-after-emancipation/

If you are a white elite in america, from the era of jefferson and washington onward, things are rosy, for the rest? Not much.

I’ve read all your posts OP and I am confused- are you British or Canadian? You seem to be using “we” in the context of both.

How is this a troll comment? Trudeau lost all credibility when those pictures surfaced. Also the pompous moral high ground he likes to channel as he tries to shame the US in his little speech.

Are you uncomfortable supporting your racist PM?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-votes-2019-trudeau-blackface-brownface-cbc-explains-1.5290664

I’ve deleted the auto image of the CBC link due to it’s disturbing content

The difficulty is that in general I do not buy things made in USA. The problem though is that the components for goods from many different countries will be from US without us being aware.

@Rainingalldayonmyhead

How is it pompous, Canada does have the higher moral ground at present.