Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico

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Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico.

He says it’s because of phen and illegal immigration - less than 1% come from Canada.

This will have significant implications for the Canadian economy, the American economy and by domino the world. Not to mention the fact it could start a significant trade war.

The US doesn’t subsidise Canada - they buy Canadian goods. Approx 40% of their crude oil comes from Canada for example.

There is also an agreed trade deal between the US/Canada and Mexico that Trump agreed to and signed in his first years in office.

YABU - it doesn’t matter to me
YANBU - let’s stand up to a bully and support our allies

President Trump says the US will "definitely" impose tariffs on the EU, after already announcing tariffs on goods from Canada, Mexico & China

On tariffs on UK goods, Donald Trump says the UK is "out of line. But... I think that one can be worked out"

@Treaclewell Canada 3.85 sq miles, US 3.53 sq miles reasonably similar.

Populations Canada 41.5 million, US population 335 million. US has about eight times the population.

If Canada were to agree to merge they would probably want each of the ten provinces recognised as states, that would not suit Trump. He does not want them as equals, he wants them subservient.

His recent threats to put tariffs on the EU are apparently as they don't buy enough American cars.
Totally missing the point that they are rubbish! America needs to wake up. It may be very powerful but much of what it produces simply isn't world leading anymore. It needs to adapt to survive, not just bully boy it's way around

So you don't understand the worldwide impact of tariffs
Oh dear
Or perhaps you're American. In which case... oh dear

He wants our natural resources. 60% of crude oil in the US is from Canada. No no one on Canada would ever want to become part of the US. Trump is waging an economic war on us to bring us to our knees to then say hey why not be one of us and then all the tariffs will go away and you will be fine.

The irony is that the US became a country based on people fleeing religious and monarchy persecution from Europe and they wanted to determine their own future.

I don't want it worked out/ bullied into submitting
I want to be out of line
Arrogant git

The EU is next…..he says he thinks it can be worked out with the UK but onky a fool would believe anything this man says now….

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8d90v1m6qvt

So, for those who don’t think this will affect the UK 8/10 of our top trading partners are in Europe - the other two are the US and China (taking from the UK government website).

Has it not though?

Certainly much more so than america which as MLK stated in Why We Can't Wait

"We are perhaps the only nation which tried as a matter of national policy to wipe out its indigenous population. Moreover, we elevated that tragic experience into a noble crusade. Indeed, even today we have not permitted ourselves to reject or to feel remorse for this shameful episode. Our literature, our films, our drama, our folklore all exalt it."

There is a great book that contrasts the remorse of the Germans in regard to WWII and americans with their actions towards the Natives, which explains why the former is respected despite the Holocaust taking place just 70 years ago while the latter is not.

So many attempts by people to derail this conversation.

For some reason

Trump: "The UK is way out of line and we'll see.

The UK, but European Union is really out of line.

UK is out of line but I'm sure that one, I think that one can be worked out.

But the European Union, it's an atrocity what they've done."

WTF is he going on about

I think you mean 'Team Trump'

Which means we can stop paying attention to anything else you think.

Remember, they knew what they voted for.............

We have made a return to the days of waking up to hear about what latest crazy shit has been coming out of Trump's mouth. Sadly, that's how it's going to be for the next 4 years. 🤦🏻‍♀️

I know, I also listened to his news conference after the plane and helicopter crash

Yes, why are we (UK) out of line.

*Dressed.

He clearly is a different man now.

Ah the irony….. @Devianinc claiming “we’re not all stoopid” 🤣🤣🤣

This may give you a clue.

European Union rules currently limit US exports of certain food products, including chlorine-washed chicken and hormone-boosted beef.
If free of EU trade rules, the US want the UK to remove such so-called "sanitary and physiosanitary" standards on imported goods.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47418505

He is exactly a negotiating kind of guy, that's half his schitck.

He likes to start negotiations from a show of strength, where he demonstrates that he has a better, stronger position to negotiate from, in hopes that it scares people into giving concessions. The US is actually in a better position in this in many ways, We need their markets more than they need ours.

Yep. It's why I've always stuck the boot into america and not Canada, Britain, Australia as well as non Anglo nations (France, Spain etc.) as they at least have shown remorse and respect to those whose lands they had invaded, america is the outlier who has never shown any.

Not only did they not show any remorse, as MLK stated they celebrated it. The statue below, the Disovery of america, stood outside the US Capitol building for over a century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheDiscoveryofAmerica(sculpture)

President James Buchannan described the statue as representing "the great discoverer when he first bounded with ecstasy upon the shore, ail his toils past, presenting a hemisphere to the astonished world, with the name America inscribed upon it. Whilst he is thus standing upon the shore, a female savage, with awe and wonder depicted in her countenance, is gazing upon him."

It's easy to see why america was a template for the Nazis.

For "Manifest destiny" (the expansion westward of white settlers into Natives lands) there was Lebensraum (the Nazi expansion eastward). Hitler in 1928 admiringly stated the US had

"gunned down the millions of Redskins to a few hundred thousand, and now keep the modest remnant under observation in a cage".

And in 1941:

"In the East a similar process will repeat itself for a second time as in the conquest of America", and Nazi troops "had a duty to look upon natives as Redskins".

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/01/hitler-on-the-mississippi-banks/283127/

I think the Chinese investment angle is probably the real reason for the focus on Panama.

This is quite interesting though.

I don't necessarily find people very consistent.

Apparently it's ok for the EU to have a ton of trade barriers with the US - or with Canada for that matter. But people are objecting because the US is undertaking a similar kind of exclusive set of trade barriers within the US, which after all if larger than Europe, and at least theoretically could probably produce a lot of their own products?

Now, I understand that the logic of these tariffs specifically seems pretty random, and I'm not arguing they are a good idea.

But do we think that free trade is a moral imperative for nations? When is it ok for one nation to restrict imports from another? Why is it ok for the EU to do this about all kinds of things (and not just for health reasons), but beyond the pale for Americans? Why did Canada for many years restrict importation of milk from the US, despite NAFTA, to protect Canadian dairy farmers?

The markets aren't wobbly because they have some moral issue about protectionism, it's because the most money is made for the super-elite when there is free flow of money and goods worldwide, whatever that means for the people living in various countries. And restricting that means they might make less. That can impact the normal middle class people too through things like pension investments, on the other hand, do we really want to argue that it's ok to be pushing every economy toward the lowest common denominator in trade, just to keep the markets happy?

Tariffs sometimes make perfect sense. The US always protected its rice farmers iirc. This scattergun approach is just a crude attempt at a shakedown however. The BRICS and EU could try to placate Trump of course. Except they know he'll be back for more, so there's no point.