To think they call us Karen because they fear us

[InformEducateEntertain]

I absolutely hate the term Karen. It's pejorative and deeply unpleasant.

Middle aged women (of whom I am one and to whom the term is most generally applied) are bloody amazing. Putting us down for our don't give a f**k badass attitude and willingness to fight back strikes me as lazy categorisation.

I'd go as far to say that those who use it are scared by the knowledge that looking the menopause in the eye has given us the courage to have a voice at last.

AIBU?

I’d also love someone to answer my question about trans people. So many people think that transwomen (normally white men identifying into a new group) are the MOST oppressed group…so if it’s ok to insult white women because “well black women are more oppressed” then can transwomen insult black people because they have it harder than they do? Can they come up with a nickname for black people who are unpleasant to trans people?

Meanwhile I’m having my arse handed to me on another thread about “Lucy Letby could be innocent” because I said nobody would be rallying to support her if she was a black or unattractive woman. Apparently people don’t see race

I'm sure there are many cases where the term 'Karen' is not appropriate, but it isn't about race or even sex as some people are trying to claim.

If the black community want to 'take back' and own the terms a Karen, Miss Ann, Permit Patty, Cornerstone Caroline. Then they must also own their racial prejudices those insults are revealing.

But as somebody upthread did point out, we have a situation where some are making a racial issue where none existed.

No we don’t.

I don’t use Karen but you don’t get to decide what the black community has to do. How dare you.

If a black person is using it to call out racist behaviour the racist is the problem.

ARealitycheck
"But as somebody upthread did point out, we have a situation where some are making a racial issue where none existed."

You really are determined to negate the experiences of black women on this thread re gendered racism. All these white women on this thread telling black women they are wrong.

It’s not surprising but disappointing none the less.

It’s exhausting. It’s like it’s sport for them.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9

"It’s not surprising but disappointing none the less."

It certainly is.

I am pointing out (just like the black lady in the video) that nobody can control the way another feels, her suggestion of where to go with feelings is to the altar as not her problem.

Well I feel the same about unfounded claims of racism or false shouts of cultural appropriation aimed at anybody who is not black.

Who are you expecting to have “founded” these “claims” of racism? The people being racist? So racism is only racist if white people agree it is?

ARealitycheck
Even if you don't agree with the use of the term Karen to describe gendered racism on the part of some white women, why are you so blinkered that you cannot acknowledge its existence?

1. Where has anyone said using Karen is “racist towards blacks”? Not once have I seen that claim being made.
2. “Blacks”?
3. Yes, it’s very easy to be permanently offended when you’re black and permanently surrounded by racism. But I suppose a white woman who doesn’t see the nuances of racism (and uses terms like “blacks”) wouldn’t understand that.

ARealitycheck
"Even if you don't agree with the use of the term Karen to describe gendered racism on the part of some white women, why are you so blinkered that you cannot acknowledge its existence?"

And i'm white.

Feel free to go back through the thread. Where a previous poster complained about the term Karen, as it was racial appropriation, suggesting researching the history of the term.

You are correct I should have used the term Black people. My apologies.

It is very easily to be permanently offended if you try and attach racial slurs into discussion and events where there is clearly no insult meant. But you be you, ad the rest of the world will carry on regardless.

Again if you wish to research the history of the term, you will actually find it was used as a term by black women to be disparaging towards white people.

@InformEducateEntertain Middle aged women….are bloody amazing.

True. Every single one. And for that reason, completely beyond criticism. Any woman who chooses to say a word against is a treacherous internalised misogynist. There ought to be a law, frankly.

I have to say I’m not a fan of “It’s so empowering being middle aged! We are badass middle aged women!”.

Load of shit. Some of them are dickheads too. And nobody fears middle aged women. In fact I think people just double down on the disdain

Did you really just refer to us as “ blacks “?

It’s just a woke way of telling women to STFU.

When you say “woke” here, what do you mean? Not being snarky - I’ve just never considered ‘Karen’ to be a woke term. Do you mean modern or more polite than ‘STFU’?

I mean in a way that absconds people from being outright misogynist because they’re just standing up to the nasty old lady.

No but she did resort to an unfounded victimhood.

To call out a specific manifestation of racism built on 'white womens' tears' you mean.

It was disparaging towards white people in the way that calling a racist a racist might be considered disparaging by those who either are racist themselves or who justify, defend or minimise racism.

Read the history. It's origins were from black women describing white women as being difficult. I find the term 'white women's tears' offensive.