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To be really glad I don't live in America right now

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AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 09:57

I really feel for ordinary Americans. It's bad enough on this side of the Channel, hearing daily about Trump's latest petty, spiteful, idiotic bullshit - that rant against the Bishop who asked him to have mercy on immigrants, the ridiculous and insulting attempt to blame 'diversity' for the plane crash - but living under it must be so much worse. And heaven help you if you're LGBT or a woman. Or an immigrant. Or not white. Or poor. Or anyone else Trump and his freakshow of a government despises. I moan about the UK all the time, like everyone else who lives here, because god knows it's far from perfect, but at least we don't have a government in charge who is trying to strip huge swathes of the population of their rights and citizenship.

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Donttellempike · 04/02/2025 14:17

RingoJuice · 04/02/2025 11:10

So we’ll just carrying on hastening global warming. FYI fossil fuels do run out eventually

Maybe but we also keep getting better at extraction too.

tbh I do wish we could develop nuclear to replace fossil fuels for our electricity needs at least and wish the lefties could help us advocate for that, but they prefer to glue themselves to the road so we can ‘just stop oil’. LOL

Don’t play chess with a pigeon, never a truer saying than listening to defenders of the vicious orange narcissist.

It knocks over the pieces, shits on the board, and calls it a win.

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 14:17

SallyWD · Today 12:21
This exactly. So many women seem to believe Trump is on their side because he's anti-trans but there's so much more to women's right than this. Trump couldn't give a shit about women. They're sexual objects to him, nothing more. He even sees his own daughter in terms of sexual attractiveness "If she wasn't my daughter, I'd be dating her". Gross. If I was a woman in America now I wouldn't feel comfortable at all.

@SallyWD

What about Kackling Kamala .. her sweet little ‘Dougie’ her ‘hon’ and ‘banes’ as she so sweetly calls him .. very quiet about his VIOLENCE to women aren’t we?? And Trump has NEVER EVER been violent to anyone!

What about Hilary’s ‘hubby’ old Bill .. you just think he’s a good old Arkansas ‘cheeky’ ol’boy.. just getting on a peodophiles private jet called the ‘Lolita’ and visiting said P’s private Islands with underage girls.. the flight notes and the PHOTOGRAPHS don’t lie and they’re all out there .. you think the multiple and multiple of times ex POTUS Bill was just going on these flights and to the island full of young girls he was just going there to buy them ice creams and play board games with them? And Hilary knew of this but stays by his side just like she did when they chewed up that ooor young intern girl up Monika Lewinsky … publicly called her a liar and all the while massively abusing his power and manipulating her for his own sexual needs while lying to his own country
Hilary ‘i’m all for women’s rights’ sated right by his side and publicly denounced a very young naive woman ML. She also treated women abominably.. look up her infamous rape case and what she did to a poor young woman that was raped

You all conveniently brush Dougie (kamala) and Bill (Hillary) vile treatment of women under the carpet and then act so full of RAGE and hatred to Trump when he’s the most respectful and gentlemanly out of the lot!

AnonymousBleep · 04/02/2025 14:22

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 14:17

SallyWD · Today 12:21
This exactly. So many women seem to believe Trump is on their side because he's anti-trans but there's so much more to women's right than this. Trump couldn't give a shit about women. They're sexual objects to him, nothing more. He even sees his own daughter in terms of sexual attractiveness "If she wasn't my daughter, I'd be dating her". Gross. If I was a woman in America now I wouldn't feel comfortable at all.

@SallyWD

What about Kackling Kamala .. her sweet little ‘Dougie’ her ‘hon’ and ‘banes’ as she so sweetly calls him .. very quiet about his VIOLENCE to women aren’t we?? And Trump has NEVER EVER been violent to anyone!

What about Hilary’s ‘hubby’ old Bill .. you just think he’s a good old Arkansas ‘cheeky’ ol’boy.. just getting on a peodophiles private jet called the ‘Lolita’ and visiting said P’s private Islands with underage girls.. the flight notes and the PHOTOGRAPHS don’t lie and they’re all out there .. you think the multiple and multiple of times ex POTUS Bill was just going on these flights and to the island full of young girls he was just going there to buy them ice creams and play board games with them? And Hilary knew of this but stays by his side just like she did when they chewed up that ooor young intern girl up Monika Lewinsky … publicly called her a liar and all the while massively abusing his power and manipulating her for his own sexual needs while lying to his own country
Hilary ‘i’m all for women’s rights’ sated right by his side and publicly denounced a very young naive woman ML. She also treated women abominably.. look up her infamous rape case and what she did to a poor young woman that was raped

You all conveniently brush Dougie (kamala) and Bill (Hillary) vile treatment of women under the carpet and then act so full of RAGE and hatred to Trump when he’s the most respectful and gentlemanly out of the lot!

Another delusional post. No point even attempting to argue with this.

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Donttellempike · 04/02/2025 14:24

Sexual abuse is violence, and Trump was found liable in a civil court for it. Jean Carroll awarded $5 million against him for it.

Such a gentleman 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 14:34

@AnonymousBleep everything so said can be proved as 100 percent factual evidence

So where are you getting your ‘disillusionment ‘ little fantasies from? You know what I said is completely true you can’t agree (you’re far too stubborn for that it seems) so you write this silly childish little comment 😆

Donttellempike · 04/02/2025 14:44

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 14:34

@AnonymousBleep everything so said can be proved as 100 percent factual evidence

So where are you getting your ‘disillusionment ‘ little fantasies from? You know what I said is completely true you can’t agree (you’re far too stubborn for that it seems) so you write this silly childish little comment 😆

The $5m award against Trump for sexual assault is a fact. You can prove anything with facts.

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 14:51

@Donttellempike
Jean Carroll also said the head of CBS ‘assaulted’ her .. she written a lot of books over the years and her own family and now former friends have said Jean finds it hard to differentiate ‘reality’ from ‘fantasy’ and she herself has said Fame and Money has always been her ‘G*d’ ..
Of course no one knows what happened apart from the accuser and the accused but if you STILL think it’s okay to just brush the HEINOUS things Doug and Bill Clinton the former POTUS has done to Women under the carpet. BUT repeatedly condemn Trump then if that’s not the definition of hypocrisy then I don’t know what is

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 14:54

You do know a huge payout doesn’t automatically mean 100 % FACT don’t you ? You understand how the law works?

snugsnug1 · 04/02/2025 14:57

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 14:51

@Donttellempike
Jean Carroll also said the head of CBS ‘assaulted’ her .. she written a lot of books over the years and her own family and now former friends have said Jean finds it hard to differentiate ‘reality’ from ‘fantasy’ and she herself has said Fame and Money has always been her ‘G*d’ ..
Of course no one knows what happened apart from the accuser and the accused but if you STILL think it’s okay to just brush the HEINOUS things Doug and Bill Clinton the former POTUS has done to Women under the carpet. BUT repeatedly condemn Trump then if that’s not the definition of hypocrisy then I don’t know what is

I can practically hear the crazed spittle flying when you type

Donttellempike · 04/02/2025 15:13

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 14:54

You do know a huge payout doesn’t automatically mean 100 % FACT don’t you ? You understand how the law works?

Yes. Thanks. I’ve been a solicitor for 30 years.

On a balance of proof the claimant convinced an independent civil Court. ( which will probably now disappear in the US thanks the the orange crook in chief) that Trump sexually assaulted her

Such cases are notoriously difficult to prove because there is usually no independent evidence

But Ms Carroll persuaded the Court that she was telling the truth.

As no one can read minds that’s as good as it gets.

Donttellempike · 04/02/2025 15:38

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 14:51

@Donttellempike
Jean Carroll also said the head of CBS ‘assaulted’ her .. she written a lot of books over the years and her own family and now former friends have said Jean finds it hard to differentiate ‘reality’ from ‘fantasy’ and she herself has said Fame and Money has always been her ‘G*d’ ..
Of course no one knows what happened apart from the accuser and the accused but if you STILL think it’s okay to just brush the HEINOUS things Doug and Bill Clinton the former POTUS has done to Women under the carpet. BUT repeatedly condemn Trump then if that’s not the definition of hypocrisy then I don’t know what is

And?

Donttellempike · 04/02/2025 15:40

You’re wasting a lot of time defending someone who wouldn’t spit on you if you were in flames.

Unless he’s paying you, maybe get a hobby?

AlertBrickBear · 04/02/2025 15:43

Donttellempike · 04/02/2025 15:13

Yes. Thanks. I’ve been a solicitor for 30 years.

On a balance of proof the claimant convinced an independent civil Court. ( which will probably now disappear in the US thanks the the orange crook in chief) that Trump sexually assaulted her

Such cases are notoriously difficult to prove because there is usually no independent evidence

But Ms Carroll persuaded the Court that she was telling the truth.

As no one can read minds that’s as good as it gets.

Brilliant 😀

MumoftwoGirls11 · 04/02/2025 16:23

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 14:17

SallyWD · Today 12:21
This exactly. So many women seem to believe Trump is on their side because he's anti-trans but there's so much more to women's right than this. Trump couldn't give a shit about women. They're sexual objects to him, nothing more. He even sees his own daughter in terms of sexual attractiveness "If she wasn't my daughter, I'd be dating her". Gross. If I was a woman in America now I wouldn't feel comfortable at all.

@SallyWD

What about Kackling Kamala .. her sweet little ‘Dougie’ her ‘hon’ and ‘banes’ as she so sweetly calls him .. very quiet about his VIOLENCE to women aren’t we?? And Trump has NEVER EVER been violent to anyone!

What about Hilary’s ‘hubby’ old Bill .. you just think he’s a good old Arkansas ‘cheeky’ ol’boy.. just getting on a peodophiles private jet called the ‘Lolita’ and visiting said P’s private Islands with underage girls.. the flight notes and the PHOTOGRAPHS don’t lie and they’re all out there .. you think the multiple and multiple of times ex POTUS Bill was just going on these flights and to the island full of young girls he was just going there to buy them ice creams and play board games with them? And Hilary knew of this but stays by his side just like she did when they chewed up that ooor young intern girl up Monika Lewinsky … publicly called her a liar and all the while massively abusing his power and manipulating her for his own sexual needs while lying to his own country
Hilary ‘i’m all for women’s rights’ sated right by his side and publicly denounced a very young naive woman ML. She also treated women abominably.. look up her infamous rape case and what she did to a poor young woman that was raped

You all conveniently brush Dougie (kamala) and Bill (Hillary) vile treatment of women under the carpet and then act so full of RAGE and hatred to Trump when he’s the most respectful and gentlemanly out of the lot!

There's always the ones who think a rapist is a gentleman and passionately defend them. Hilarious!! 😆

Kamala never raped anyone, dear. Trump on the other hand has been found guilty of rape in a court of law. Has confessed to pussy grabbing, and lots and lots more. But of course he's a gentleman! 😂

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 16:31

Crazed hysterical women ! Probably the same ones who moan about men wolf whistling when you probably have never even whistled at in your life! Won’t be long until your prosecco or vino hits you at ‘mummy vino oclock’ soon when you all start ripping Melania to shreds and really get your claws out! The most BEAUTIFUL first lady in history but you’ll never agree to this as jealousy eats you up in your size 16 leggings

snugsnug1 · 04/02/2025 16:48

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 16:31

Crazed hysterical women ! Probably the same ones who moan about men wolf whistling when you probably have never even whistled at in your life! Won’t be long until your prosecco or vino hits you at ‘mummy vino oclock’ soon when you all start ripping Melania to shreds and really get your claws out! The most BEAUTIFUL first lady in history but you’ll never agree to this as jealousy eats you up in your size 16 leggings

Is Tuesday the day mummy lets you out of the basement?

Why bless your little incel heart (you can look the phrase up). I'd have been nicer to you if I'd known you were intellectually challenged.

AlertBrickBear · 04/02/2025 17:25

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 16:31

Crazed hysterical women ! Probably the same ones who moan about men wolf whistling when you probably have never even whistled at in your life! Won’t be long until your prosecco or vino hits you at ‘mummy vino oclock’ soon when you all start ripping Melania to shreds and really get your claws out! The most BEAUTIFUL first lady in history but you’ll never agree to this as jealousy eats you up in your size 16 leggings

Is that a UK or US size 16? Just want to check if it’s me you’re referring to or not.

AnonymousBleep · 04/02/2025 18:13

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 16:31

Crazed hysterical women ! Probably the same ones who moan about men wolf whistling when you probably have never even whistled at in your life! Won’t be long until your prosecco or vino hits you at ‘mummy vino oclock’ soon when you all start ripping Melania to shreds and really get your claws out! The most BEAUTIFUL first lady in history but you’ll never agree to this as jealousy eats you up in your size 16 leggings

Hang on, are you saying that everyone on this thread who disagrees with you is fat and ugly? Hang on - are YOU Donald Trump?

Nah, the spelling and grammar is too good.

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MeTooOverHere · 04/02/2025 21:45

RingoJuice · 04/02/2025 07:34

I take it you’re not a minority group or a woman

Well you’d be wrong. Plenty of women voted for this like me.

Must be great being in fear of fires and extreme flooding

I have always advocated for better infrastructure development to handle natural disasters. This would include building more dams in both North Carolina and California and telling environmental groups to fuck off when they speak about a fucking fish.

having to fear food and goods prices about to go through the roof

Since when did the left care about free trade? You guys used to hate it!

having to pray you don’t get ill (as medical bankruptcy is always round the corner)

I’d rather be in debt than receive substandard care (and die)

your children having to practice hiding under tables at school in fear of their lives, always being scared you could get gunned down anywhere

I’m not living in America at the moment and anyway I’m not a second amendment absolutist. I think sensible gun control is a good thing. I don’t fall lock-step in with GOP, I just think they are better overall.

the ability to close down government departments on a whim

USAID is a joke of an agency and it’s absurd waste of taxpayer money (at best) and also a front for more nefarious schemes I’ll not go into here

Also the Department of Education is worse than useless, should be shut down. It only began operating in the 80s and has overseen continual decline. The ‘no child left behind’ (a pet project of GWB) was a huge failure tbh

I have always advocated for better infrastructure development to handle natural disasters. This would include building more dams in both North Carolina and California and telling environmental groups to fuck off when they speak about a fucking fish.
Yes because destroying the ecosystems we all rely on is such a great long term plan.

MeTooOverHere · 04/02/2025 21:48

RingoJuice · 04/02/2025 08:05

Every member of trump's cabinet is under qualified

Cabinet positions are often handed out based on loyalty and ability to carry out the president’s agenda. You know this.

How do you know that vance would have qualified for Yale? Is it his white male face that leads you to believe this?

I don’t actually and THAT is the problem.

Dei was developed to open up opportunities for underrepresented groups, that's why women Asians, Hispanics, native Americans, the disabled, veterans and then black people are included

We would prefer a merit-based policy and stop caring about this. If you have a pipeline problem, the hiring stage is not the place to fix it

Cabinet positions are often handed out based on loyalty and ability to carry out the president’s agenda. You know this.
Don't they have to be elected by voters FIRST?

Mumtobabyhavoc · 04/02/2025 21:51

MeTooOverHere · 04/02/2025 21:48

Cabinet positions are often handed out based on loyalty and ability to carry out the president’s agenda. You know this.
Don't they have to be elected by voters FIRST?

No. See Elon Musk and Trump's last term and his employ of his family members.

MeTooOverHere · 04/02/2025 21:53

SernieBanders · 04/02/2025 08:48

Fairly sure everything about LGBT changes - are about the T - LGB people are being protected.

TQI+ does NOT belong with LGB

LGB people are being protected.
TQI+ does NOT belong with LGB
LGB are not being attacked - YET
Why do you think Intersex folks are not "being protected" right now?

MeTooOverHere · 04/02/2025 21:56

TreacleTarcleSparkle · 04/02/2025 10:17

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/white-houses-illegal-aliens-video-response-to-selena-gomez-crying-over-immigration-raids-by-donald-trumps-team-7615067

@AnonymousBleep its ALL circumstantial though isn’t it OP?? Surely you know that?

It is how it effects YOU and those around you is how you can view what is ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ and ‘acceptable’ in politics and not

You seem very caught up in your own little bubble and make it seem ever so simplistic .. so black and white , so ‘blase’..

Millions voted for Trump. It’s called Democracy. I’m sure though they’ll be ok with your ‘pity’ on them all.

29% of voters put Trump in power. The USA's forefathers, their Constitution and their electoral system is substandard and that is how they ended up with Trump as Prez.

Herewegoagain29 · 04/02/2025 22:06

MeTooOverHere · 04/02/2025 21:56

29% of voters put Trump in power. The USA's forefathers, their Constitution and their electoral system is substandard and that is how they ended up with Trump as Prez.

Well by that measure Starmer is hardly better, securing 34% of the vote, and because of the low turnout only 20% of the population voted for him.

Labour is set to poll about 34 percent, not even two percentage points more than Jeremy Corbyn scored in 2019 and significantly less than the 40 percent that Corbyn scored in 2017.
To put it another way, thanks to the second lowest turnout since 1885, scarcely 20 percent of eligible British voters support Keir Starmer’s Labour. Yet, he will end up with approximately two-thirds of all parliamentary seats.

MeTooOverHere · 04/02/2025 22:07

snugsnug1 · 04/02/2025 13:51

But, hey, say what you want about Trump, the man is a champion of women or at least he knows what a woman is, or, uh, something...

https://bsky.app/profile/sawyerhackett.bsky.social/post/3lhcsh76tc22y

Trump just announced Sean Parnell as the chief Pentagon Spokesman. Parnell’s wife testified under oath that he repeatedly choked her. He ultimately lost custody of his children.