What's your thoughts on asylum seekers?

[Lynds778]

I'm all for offering asylum to those genuinely in need but I've seen a lot of negative media recently around 'fake' asylum seekers; people pretending to be from war-torn countries etc to gain entry to the country. Also videos of men giving advice for future asylum seekers on where to say you're from so that you can get in.

Also seen a lot of uproar from local communities about asylum seekers behaving anti-socially, most recently hanging around outside a primary school in Deanshanger and it's got me worried.
I'm also wondering why the large majority of asylum seekers are men and there are less women and children?

So, what's your opinion?

Also, this isn't a racist post. I would have the exact same concerns if these were white asylum seekers from Germany for example. The worry is the system is being abused by some and that we are a bit too lax when it comes to documentation and monitoring of asylum seekers.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14058597/Fake-asylum-seekers-conning-way-Britain-telling-Home-Office-war-torn-Eritrea-bragging-thousands-followers-TikTok.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14185169/amp/Four-asylum-seekers-costing-taxpayer-estimated-160-000-year-living-575-000-luxury-home-accused-faking-Afghan-nationalities-UK.html

Christ! Stay off any thread on MN that talks about men then.

They take border control seriously. Break into those countries illegally and you'll get the full force of the law, not a hotel room, free meals and benefits.

Britain is a very soft touch. We're an island, we should be able to control our borders properly. It's a question of will.

Of course there's genuine asylum seekers but the soft liberal nature of Europe and Democrat America has been massively taken advantage of. It only ends up with Trump, Reform and AFD because they will at least promise to sort it.

France is a safe country. Everywhere west of Ukraine is a safe country. They don't need to keep traveling west before paying human traffickers thousands to cross the channel. We shouldn't be rewarding that.

Oh dear. You seem rather cross that a post containing hate speech has been zapped.

As for anonymous posters laughing at me about my slightly tongue in cheek comment about the gruniad* why on earth would I care about that?

*that is another joke before you accuse me of misspelling.

Eta: I see your only other contribution on this thread has involved insults too. Maybe step away from the internet for a while?

@mollyfolk is that the documented figure because 1000s are arriving week on week that cannot be counted and documented properly, people come on boats but also lorries.

I want to be proud of the UK helping those in genuine need, giving families and children a chance to have a good life, good education and so on.

Nothing seems organised though and it feels like a chaotic uncontrollable situation with communities being negatively impacted.

Many countries are way behind us in terms of sexism and enlightened modern world practises so how on earth do we make sure we balance the figures out so our quality of life isn't impacted by people with vastly different views and culture? And then how do we educate them on what our laws are?

We should have open schemes like we had for Afghan and Ukraine for asylum seekers to come in on visas.

We shouldn't be granting asylum for people breaking into the country illegally. If we didn't then it'd mostly stop. It's not on.

We shouldn't be granting asylum for people breaking into the country illegally. If we didn't then it'd mostly stop. It's not on

Well you'll be glad to know that is not happening. It is not illegal to come here on a small boat and claim asylum once ashore.

Pretty much all immigration is economic, very few people are actually fleeing danger, especially when there are countless other places nearer their home country they could go to. I say this as someone who actually.works in a role which provides support for immigrants. The main problems it's causing for the UK is excessive strain on public services and unnaturally increasing house prices/ cost of living. It's not really very fair to.ask the working population to support people from elsewhere when it means we don't have sufficient housing/ resources for our own population. And regarding them mostly being young men, some females do try to come but are at risk of abuse/ harassment if they travel alone. What usually happens is a man of a family will come first then bring his family after he gains leave to remain, or he is single and comes because it elevates his chances of marriage in his home country.

You’re worried after reading the Daily Heil? That’s hardly surprising. Try reading some reputable sources.

This country has done so much to create refugees that now it should be paying the price. I welcome as many asylum seekers as want to
come here and I’m more than happy for my taxes to pay for them. I’d like us to make it significantly easier for people from countries that we colonised to come. We owe them.

How many people are you asking the UK to take? In numbers. Is there a point at which you'd say we weren't capable of taking more, and if so what is that point?

Even the government classifies it as 'illegal immigration', separated from 'legal immigration' where people come here with the required permission,

We can question semantics but it's a choice to grant asylum to folk who've broke into the country without permission (and from France).

IMO we should have more legal routes (like the Ukraine and Afghan schemes) but if you break in you won't be granted status.

The argument PP is making is clearly that it should be illegal. The debate is whether the existing asylum framework is fit for purpose.

Nope. The goverment classifies the people arriving on small boats as irregular migrants, not illegal.

"Any people detected in uncontrolled landings are counted in ‘irregular migrants recorded arriving by small boat’"

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days

And it's soft, liberal laws that are destroying the fabric of the west. Give it another few years and we'll have far right governments everywhere because social liberal democracies have refused to deal with the growing crisis of mass immigration, or are impeded by liberal laws and liberal lawyers. It's why Trump won, why AFD may win and why Reform are as polling as well as they are.

Semantics because of outdated laws that have seen Europe (and US/Canada etc) absolutely swamped.

We can't cope. The country is skint. We have a housing crisis. We've got thousands homeless. We're in crippling, unsustainable debt but are forced to spend 5 billion a year housing asylum seekers. It's madness. Reform will win a landslide if Labour can't/won't deal with the problem.

Reform have 4 seats and we had the issue of small boats before the election. Farage isn't popular with his own MPs and he's certainly not popular with his constituents. I doubt he'll get reelected.

I pray you are right

I used to think, let them all come. But now I'm thinking deport the illegals that don't bring anything of value to the UK. Most of the illegals need to go home. 50 family members of illegal immigrants are coming here, every day. That's not good. The tax payers shouldn't be paying for their interpreters/ healthcare, housing and benefits. Of course we still need skilled migrants coming here for obvious reasons.

They take border control seriously.

Tbf so does Aus which is culturally similar to here and has a centre left gov. It's pretty much an essential for any gov there like ensuring water supply.

We far from that wrt border control

You've had one of your posts deleted in case you are unaware.

(I'm reading the thread from the beginning)

You're right, anyone here illegally should be deported. I believe Labour have deported thousands since being in power.

@PandoraSox but surely you aren't advising people come on boats risking life and feeding gangs with money

What's your thoughts on asylum seekers?

Same as my thoughts on people who happen to have been born with rights to citizenship/residency in the UK: i.e. they are a miscellaneous bunch about whom few generalisations can fairly be made.

How does this work?

50 family members per granted application sounds incredibly high

How many is that in total I wonder

I think the country is bursting at the seams. The NHS can't cope, no housing souring bills etc

We need to shut the boarders ans arart deporting all the men/criminals in the hotels costing us thousands etc and take care of the ppl actually paying into the economy.