What's your thoughts on asylum seekers?

[Lynds778]

I'm all for offering asylum to those genuinely in need but I've seen a lot of negative media recently around 'fake' asylum seekers; people pretending to be from war-torn countries etc to gain entry to the country. Also videos of men giving advice for future asylum seekers on where to say you're from so that you can get in.

Also seen a lot of uproar from local communities about asylum seekers behaving anti-socially, most recently hanging around outside a primary school in Deanshanger and it's got me worried.
I'm also wondering why the large majority of asylum seekers are men and there are less women and children?

So, what's your opinion?

Also, this isn't a racist post. I would have the exact same concerns if these were white asylum seekers from Germany for example. The worry is the system is being abused by some and that we are a bit too lax when it comes to documentation and monitoring of asylum seekers.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14058597/Fake-asylum-seekers-conning-way-Britain-telling-Home-Office-war-torn-Eritrea-bragging-thousands-followers-TikTok.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14185169/amp/Four-asylum-seekers-costing-taxpayer-estimated-160-000-year-living-575-000-luxury-home-accused-faking-Afghan-nationalities-UK.html

Asylum seekers are always documented. You can't be an undocumented asylum seeker: you need to apply to be a refugee on arrival. You are then fingerprinted and there is a whole process to ascertain your nationality ect...

I'm not in the UK so I don't know what the story is to people arriving on boats and Lorries - do the majority of them claim asylum or do they disappear into the country as undocumented migrants?

I totally agree with you that it is chaotic and unsafe. But I don't think demonising people helps. Ultimately what would help is setting up legal routes to asylum from the main countries who have lots of camps - the Lebanon for example. They claim could be accessed from the camp and only when they get full refugee status would they be moved here.

The government will never do this though. Nobody ever wants asylum seekers. The government will continue to make their lives hell and make entry difficult in the hopes that they will not come . But with the global conflicts and the impact of climate change, they'll continue to risk their lives to leave their country.

The Romans conquered Britain and stole our natural resources.

Mining was one of the most prosperous activities in Roman Britain. Britain was rich in resources such as copper, gold, iron, lead, salt, silver, and tin, materials in high demand in the Roman Empire. Sufficient supply of metals was needed to fulfil the demand for coinage and luxury artefacts by the elite.

I don't see any British heading to Italy as asylum seekers 🤔

I'ts just made up rubbish. They'll be delighted you believe them.

So deport those on benefits as well then??? And all children and retired people too?

Did you understand that post?

I never understand why patriots are so shit at their native tongue. Where’s the pride in that?

I'ts just made up rubbish. They'll be delighted you believe them.

I believe you about as much tbf without any evidence either way so far

It's almost like university aren't totally left leaning 🤷‍♀️

Full Fact article on that here;

16 Jan 2025 - Last week the Home Office published new data showing that 16,400 returns of people without the right to be in the UK had been carried out during the government’s first six months in office.

Some media coverage of this figure has appeared to suggest it represents the number of asylum seekers who have been returned.

The 16,400 figure refers to the total number of enforced and voluntary returns of people without the right to be in the UK between 5 July 2024 and 4 January 2025. But published figures don’t tell us that all those returned were asylum seekers. In fact, we don’t know how many of the 16,400 were asylum seekers, though previous data suggests it may be a minority.

It’s worth noting that while the Home Office correctly stated the number of returns was the highest in a six-month period in five years, it does not appear to represent a “record”, as Mr Starmer suggested.

Official statistics show that between 2007 and 2017 the total number of enforced and voluntary returns over a six-month period were consistently higher than the figure published by the government last week.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/asylum-seeker-returns-express/

Do you have a source for that claim? It seems... unlikely.

Im guessing your happy to have a failing NHS and no housing then? Schools busting at the seams.? If your happy that then that's fine. I'm allowed to not be happy with that.

@User32459 "France is a safe country. Everywhere west of Ukraine is a safe country. They don't need to keep traveling west before paying human traffickers thousands to cross the channel. We shouldn't be rewarding that."

This ^ nails it.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Like I said, the Labour government have deported thousands of people here illegally.

Full Fact thought it worthy of an article.

HMRC estimate 35.8 billion pounds in unpaid tax is due , asylum seekers cost 4.8 billion. You are angry at the wrong people

Much appreciated

Mostly voluntary returns for people who've overstayed their visas, a lot of them were to Brazil. It's a nothing figure in reality, just grabs a headline to show they're actually doing something, meanwhile hundreds arrive daily on boats in the middle of winter. Wait till the weather improves.

It doesn't

https://freemovement.org.uk/are-refugees-obliged-to-claim-asylum-in-the-first-safe-country-they-reach/

@User32459 absolutely Labour are scrambling for headlines

Voluntary returns are cheaper than forced

They've said they'll 'smash the gangs' it's winter and still higher numbers

mollyfolk
Asylum seekers are always documented. You can't be an undocumented asylum seeker: you need to apply to be a refugee on arrival. You are then fingerprinted and there is a whole process to ascertain your nationality ect...
I'm not in the UK

Ireland?

The majority of people who applied for international protection at Dublin Airport in 2023 arrived with either no or false identity documents.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-asylum-seekers-arriving-at-dublin-airport-last-year-had-no-identity-documents-1594895.html

That's what illegals are, people who have overstayed their visa. If Labour weren't deporting people, you'd be complaining. They are deporting people and you're complaining.

@username299 it's a headline and that's it. It's far more costly to enforce return than voluntary return. The taxpayer is paying for their incompetence on border policy

Those who want to reform the asylum system may be forgetting that the UK, along with every major country and most of the others, signed the 1951 UN Convention on Human Rights. This allows persons seeking asylum to choose their destination.

I wonder where do the other countries that take more than here place them because there is not other European country I have visited where I see so many in hotels and the streets.

Yes, well that may need to be revised or looking at again.

Since 1951 we've seen a vast burgeoning of moving people for profit and crime

Voters will eventually make politicians act. Some are already