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To think eventually, UK could become a part of the USA?

658 replies

CyanSeal · 27/01/2025 12:20

Depending on how Trump gets on … he doesn’t seem shy about taking over other countries. On paper it would make sense globally for the UK and the USA to become one … USA, Canada,UK - what a superpower that would be.

on top of this, there is a hell of a lot of UK support for Trump, I don’t even think the British would object to a takeover on the whole

Seems far fetched I know - but less far fetched that it did a few years ago

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BobbiJo · 27/01/2025 13:08

Willyoujustbequiet · 27/01/2025 13:06

No.I think you've misunderstood.

It's not really about Starmer at all. Like him or loathe him it beggars belief someone would prefer a sexual abuser.

.... 🤣🤣🤣

MadCatHag · 27/01/2025 13:08

You need to up your medication. What makes you think there is a hell of a lot of support for Trump? Happily, I haven't encountered this section of the population but then I don't hang out with ignorant misogynistic racist twats.

Eightdayz · 27/01/2025 13:08

It would be an interesting study into why Trump causes so much irrational behaviour.

Nuts!

One of the most mental things I've ever heard associated with his name.

HappyNewFeckingYear · 27/01/2025 13:10

No, we are not going to become part of the US. We are too much of a liability to all be granted citizenship.
A useful oversea territory with geo-political importance, yes. Are we going to become part of Fortress North America, no.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/01/2025 13:11

I doubt they'd want us - and wouldn't blame them - but I always remember the 10 year old who, on hearing my accent and being told I was from England, asked "Which state is that mum?" Grin

MrsPeregrine · 27/01/2025 13:11

Summerhillsquare · 27/01/2025 12:34

Sadly for you both but thankfully for the rest of us, the labour party won an enormous majority at the general election and will govern accordingly.

…and won’t last longer than one term. Thankfully.

LizzieW1969 · 27/01/2025 13:11

ChessorBuckaroo · 27/01/2025 13:02

The UK has been a republic in all but name for centuries. The term "Crowned republic" is the term that has been used (Tennyson and HG Wells among those that did).

The English Bill of Rights 1689 solidified the supremacy of Parliament over the crown (glorious revolution).

It's why in the UK there was never anything akin to the revolution in France or those that took place throughout Europe in the 19th century.

It's also why the Industrial Revolution happened in Britain and not other nations with a monarchy, as one monarch was essentially powerless, unlike the others.

Charles I is the last time Britain had a monarch who exercised power, and he was executed for doing so.

Edited

I said we’re a constitutional monarchy, not an absolute one! I’m well aware that the monarchy is just ceremonial, as are some presidents, e.g. of Ireland.

I don’t see the Monarchy being abolished anytime soon, though.

MargaretThursday · 27/01/2025 13:12

My proposal is that we rename America as La La Land.

As this is clearly where Trump and many of his supporters live.

trivialMorning · 27/01/2025 13:13

TeenLifeMum · 27/01/2025 13:04

I initially thought this but there’s pockets of people who think he’s great in my work place. I was shocked but I imagine people will see him shipping out immigrants and will think he’s a hero, because the media has created a narrative that “bloody immigrants” are to blame for all the country’s failings.

I think if things do go well for him in next 4 years - and that will be due to people round him more than him - he could get more admiration here.

Even if odd policy chimes with people I know in RL - they don't see his previous presidency as a good - but most think he's the USA choice lets see what he actually does.

How that then plays into UK politics I'm not sure.

Ontopofthesunset · 27/01/2025 13:13

Mmm. How could we have a monarchy and become part of the US? Problems, problems...

This OP is obviously a wind up. Nevertheless I am surprised at so many UK citizens with such limited social circles that they only know huge fans of Trump. Everyone I know is pretty worried at the state of the US right now - disastrous healthcare, obesity and opioid crises, gun violence, power of the Christian right and antediluvian abortion views. But my social circle is probably as limited as yours.

Willyoujustbequiet · 27/01/2025 13:13

As I said your post wasn't the flex you thought it was and your subsequent ones have just reinforced that to everyone reading this.

Gan canny.

WaryCrow · 27/01/2025 13:14

One question: what do we have that he could want? We don’t have a land border and we don’t have mineral wealth any more.

The only possibility that could bring us to Trumps attention is our position as a springboard into Europe or the Arctic.

Otherwise you are right to fear his ambition. The international rule of law is ended and we are back in the time of rule by might. We need allies and we need to stand with Europe - Poland’s leaders are making very sensible statements at the moment. Otherwise, as has happened so many times before, anyone who does want anything of Europe will just take it piece by piece.

Echobelly · 27/01/2025 13:14

No, the USA as we know it will fall apart before that could even be a possibility.

bumblingbovine49 · 27/01/2025 13:15

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 27/01/2025 12:32

He's already wittered on about wanting Greenland, and also Canada.

I think he is as serious as he gets about this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjw461nelzdt
Quote from article

Doubling down on his suggestion that Canada could become a US state to avoid tariffs, yesterday he told the BBC: "They do almost 90% of their business with the United States, whereas with us it’s the opposite."

"It’s irrelevantly small. So I don’t want to spend hundreds of billions of dollars supporting a country unless that country is a state. And if it is a state, the people of Canada would pay a much lower tax," he adds.

Trump also renewed his appeal for Denmark to relinquish control of the autonomous territory of Greenland to the US - saying it's an "absolute necessity" for international security.

"I think we're going to have it," he told the BBC while on Air Force One last night, adding that the island's 57,000 residents "want to be with us" despite Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen firmly stating that Greenland is not for sale earlier this week.

Trump orders 25% tariffs on Colombia after US planes deporting migrants turned back

The president says he ordered tariffs and other sanctions on Colombia after it barred US military flights carrying deported migrants.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjw461nelzdt

IncessantNameChanger · 27/01/2025 13:15

It feels possible with what Trump has been saying recently. I won't loose sleep over it. However I'm never ever going to be American. Ever.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/01/2025 13:15

More people would rather rejoin the EU.

givemeasnowmananyday · 27/01/2025 13:15

And here was I convinced that these types of posts only occurred on the weekends. That's why I stay away from posting on the weekends on here. I get enough of this crap listening to the news.

SinnerBoy · 27/01/2025 13:15

LifeExperience · Today 12:58

...but we'll get Greenland, probably as a territory. Greenland's leadership has already signaled that they are open to it. Denmark can sputter

Absolute fucking mince on toast. The Greenland PM said they want independence from Denmark and certainly not to be reconolised by America.

HelpMeGetThrough · 27/01/2025 13:17

One question: what do we have that he could want?

Judging by most UK towns and cities on a Saturday night, the worlds largest reserves of fake tan.

WaryCrow · 27/01/2025 13:17

^ I do think Canada is more at risk, and if Trump invades Canada the US divisions will split wide open. I don’t know the place well enough to comment on the plausibility of civil war. They don’t have the restrictions on weaponry that we do. But it looks likely to me and may be the world’s best hope.

bumblingbovine49 · 27/01/2025 13:18

WaryCrow · 27/01/2025 13:14

One question: what do we have that he could want? We don’t have a land border and we don’t have mineral wealth any more.

The only possibility that could bring us to Trumps attention is our position as a springboard into Europe or the Arctic.

Otherwise you are right to fear his ambition. The international rule of law is ended and we are back in the time of rule by might. We need allies and we need to stand with Europe - Poland’s leaders are making very sensible statements at the moment. Otherwise, as has happened so many times before, anyone who does want anything of Europe will just take it piece by piece.

This completely true . The USA can't be considered an ally any more. I'd say it is a power on par with Russia and China in terms of how we need to consider their international aims. Europe is looking like it really needs to stick together, and obviously NATO contries as well.

siblingrevelryagain · 27/01/2025 13:18

TeenLifeMum · 27/01/2025 13:04

I initially thought this but there’s pockets of people who think he’s great in my work place. I was shocked but I imagine people will see him shipping out immigrants and will think he’s a hero, because the media has created a narrative that “bloody immigrants” are to blame for all the country’s failings.

The only slight (and it it clutching at straws) silver lining I can see to Trump's abhorrent anti-immigration policy and deportations is that, very quickly, it will show the rest of the world in real time, once and for all, that immigration isn't the issue the head-bangers on the right think it is.

Just like over here, crime won't go down for the US when they are deporting and closing the border, food and gas won't be cheaper, housing won't be more abundant, and they will quickly get sick of them and their precious kids having to do the pool cleaning, social care and farming jobs they're currently too good for.

Violinist64 · 27/01/2025 13:18

I agree that our own leaders have been very poor over recent years and the present one is particularly dismal, but I would still rather have our system rather than be part of the USA - particularly with Donald Trump in charge. We might speak the same language, more or less, but that is where the similarities end. We have far more in common with our friends in the Commonwealth or our Continental neighbours in Western Europe. As for putting my hand over my heart while singing the National Anthem.....no, a thousand times no.

Vatsallfolks · 27/01/2025 13:19

BobbiJo · 27/01/2025 12:27

Don't be silly.

But .
Compared to our "Leader", I'd take Trump any day ending in Y

(ETA- Compared to our "Leader" I'd take 3 toddlers in an overcoat..)

Edited

I'm sorry but are you on some kind of brain addling medication ?

You would PREFER a man who is a proven liar, a career misogynist and blatant narcissist. Who talks about 'grabbing a woman by the pussy' .. who seriously questioned why bleach couldn't be injected into those suffering with Covid .. I mean that's just the start .. the list is just beyond bonkers . The man is a fucking liability and almost certainly in the early stages of dementia.

You would actually PREFER that to an educated, thoughtful SANE human being ? It's obvious that you're no Labour supporter but really ? Trump ? It smacks of 'rather dead than red' .

Hopefully you can successfully emigrate.. because there are plenty of us who think our government is a breath of fresh air after the last omnifuckingshambles.. (and I would even rather them than the Orange monstrosity.

locomotive98 · 27/01/2025 13:20

A takeover isn't going to happen and wouldn't be supported. But a free trade deal with the US that means we can move there is quite appealing. I doubt that will happen either though.