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To think eventually, UK could become a part of the USA?

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CyanSeal · 27/01/2025 12:20

Depending on how Trump gets on … he doesn’t seem shy about taking over other countries. On paper it would make sense globally for the UK and the USA to become one … USA, Canada,UK - what a superpower that would be.

on top of this, there is a hell of a lot of UK support for Trump, I don’t even think the British would object to a takeover on the whole

Seems far fetched I know - but less far fetched that it did a few years ago

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izimbra · 27/01/2025 15:23

CyanSeal · 27/01/2025 12:20

Depending on how Trump gets on … he doesn’t seem shy about taking over other countries. On paper it would make sense globally for the UK and the USA to become one … USA, Canada,UK - what a superpower that would be.

on top of this, there is a hell of a lot of UK support for Trump, I don’t even think the British would object to a takeover on the whole

Seems far fetched I know - but less far fetched that it did a few years ago

Have you been spending a lot of time on 'Trump friendly' social media recently?

In the real world, according to Statistica only 35% of Brits approve of Trump.

I suspect the people who approve of Trump are the same dimwits who also think Farage 'just talks common sense' and who voted for Reform.

Another poll said the top choices of words used by Brits to describe Trump were ‘idiot’, ‘dangerous’, ‘funny’ and ‘narcissist’.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 27/01/2025 15:23

ilovesooty · 27/01/2025 15:19

So would I.

As a state you could have this. You’d just have to pay for it 😁

Hermitta · 27/01/2025 15:24

Then we would need a written constitution that aligns with the US constitution - so we'd have to unban gun sales (in fact weapons sales in general).

Totally not the point of the thread I know, but I thought some states didn't allow guns?

LoyalMember · 27/01/2025 15:25

What the absolute f are you on about? Is there an asylum missing a patient?

saltinesandcoffeecups · 27/01/2025 15:26

Hermitta · 27/01/2025 15:24

Then we would need a written constitution that aligns with the US constitution - so we'd have to unban gun sales (in fact weapons sales in general).

Totally not the point of the thread I know, but I thought some states didn't allow guns?

States can heavily restrict them. But they can’t outright ban them or it would run afoul of the constitution which would be overturned.

Hermitta · 27/01/2025 15:26

And I have a FIL who is convinced that Trump will allow people with 'real' British ancestry to claim asylum to the USA in the end, to save the 'homeland' refugees.

Honestly, I'm half hoping he's right, it would solve a number of my headaches.

ForPearlViper · 27/01/2025 15:26

Renamed · 27/01/2025 14:49

There is not a hell of a lot of UK support for Trump, most people think he’s deranged

Exactly. There are people who support him who are very loud and prolific online and a few politicians that egg them on. There are some people who seem to scour the internet for opportunities to pile onto forums where there is even a breath of a mention of Trump and the views of people of his ilk (even Mumsnet).

That doesn't mean a hell of a lot of UK support for Trump.

LifeExperience · 27/01/2025 15:26

JoyousGreyOrca · 27/01/2025 14:43

Yeah my family have a genetic condition. It was not recognised as a genetic condition until 15 years ago and causes a range of seemingly unconnected symptoms from middle age. We would not get health insurance. Or it would have so many exclusions as to be basically worthless.

By law, those with pre-existing conditions cannot be turned down for insurance. And no, Trump isn't going to gut the ACA. It needs some adjustments and that will happen, but Congress gets a say. Not gonna happen.

Idontgiveashitanymore · 27/01/2025 15:27

He’d at least sort out the migrant crisis because no one in the Uk has the balls to do anything about it

SerendipityJane · 27/01/2025 15:28

Hermitta · 27/01/2025 15:24

Then we would need a written constitution that aligns with the US constitution - so we'd have to unban gun sales (in fact weapons sales in general).

Totally not the point of the thread I know, but I thought some states didn't allow guns?

No state can overrule the second amendment. End of.

It's telling that I actually posted the constitution here (it is nowhere near the length of read my last iTunes T&Cs was) but few have even read it.

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

(from Maryland).

LuluBlakey1 · 27/01/2025 15:28

You are being ridiculously unreasonable.

LifeExperience · 27/01/2025 15:29

BunnyLake · 27/01/2025 14:46

I don’t know anyone who supports him. So will we start talking in American accents, have tax added on top of the price tag, have guns for sale in the middle aisle of Lidl and no socialised healthcare, no price regulated pharmaceuticals and probably no pavements (or should that be sidewalks?).

Really, the US has no pavements? We have pavements in developed areas. Not in rural areas, but virtually everywhere else. Some of you are really silly.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 27/01/2025 15:30

LifeExperience · 27/01/2025 15:29

Really, the US has no pavements? We have pavements in developed areas. Not in rural areas, but virtually everywhere else. Some of you are really silly.

I have spent a lot of time shoveling those non-existent pavements/sidewalks!

LuluBlakey1 · 27/01/2025 15:30

From London Daily yesterday. Sums up most Brits' thinking on Trump
London Daily

“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?”

Nate White, a writer from England wrote the following response:

A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.

• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.

Hermitta · 27/01/2025 15:31

SerendipityJane · 27/01/2025 15:28

No state can overrule the second amendment. End of.

It's telling that I actually posted the constitution here (it is nowhere near the length of read my last iTunes T&Cs was) but few have even read it.

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

(from Maryland).

Ah ok, Google is misleading then.

As of 2024, 22 U.S. states required background checks and/or permits for the purchase of a handgun. A further 13 states had regulations on openly carrying firearms in public, however, only California, Connecticut, Florida, and Illinois had completely prohibited open carry for all firearms.

Hants123 · 27/01/2025 15:32

the tipping rules would be different obviously, we'd all just end up tipping 20% everywhere in case it was impolite to do otherwise and we'd have to start teaching boys American football in schools and maybe every home would be issued with a flagpole - you all have the US flag outside your home right?

NotTerfNorCis · 27/01/2025 15:33

on top of this, there is a hell of a lot of UK support for Trump, I don’t even think the British would object to a takeover on the whole

Hahahaha <cough>

You couldn't be any more wrong.

Beebop1784 · 27/01/2025 15:34

Do you have a pea brain?

saltinesandcoffeecups · 27/01/2025 15:34

Hermitta · 27/01/2025 15:31

Ah ok, Google is misleading then.

As of 2024, 22 U.S. states required background checks and/or permits for the purchase of a handgun. A further 13 states had regulations on openly carrying firearms in public, however, only California, Connecticut, Florida, and Illinois had completely prohibited open carry for all firearms.

The key there is “open carry”

Open carry is when you are in public with a gun visible , either holstered or visibly held in your hand.

what this doesn’t do is prohibit gun ownership and transporting in other ways such as in a lock box.

LifeExperience · 27/01/2025 15:35

Macrodatarefiner · 27/01/2025 15:01

I can't think of many things worse than being American/part of America! SHUDDER 😖

Imagine saying that about any other nationality

Exactly. Anti-American hatred and misinformation is allowed to run rampant on here. Doesn't bother me or I wouldn't be here. But we Americans aren't stupid. We know what you think of us and we're sick of protecting people who hate us.

thepariscrimefiles · 27/01/2025 15:36

saltinesandcoffeecups · 27/01/2025 14:56

Who has privatized water service?

The Thatcher government privatised the water industry.

LuluBlakey1 · 27/01/2025 15:36

Private Eye front page

To think eventually, UK could become a part of the USA?
GreenYellowBrown · 27/01/2025 15:38

One of the silliest things I’ve ever heard. We’ll continue to be allies but not ‘join’ them.

Hants123 · 27/01/2025 15:38

I don't think we all hate Americans - I think if we managed to upset you know who we'd be your long lost best allies friends.

BIossomtoes · 27/01/2025 15:38

saltinesandcoffeecups · 27/01/2025 14:56

Who has privatized water service?

Thatcher did. In the 1980s. As you’d know if you lived in the UK.