Am I a far right extremist?

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I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

It’s mners that don’t like Musk who post so much on him. He’s filling the content requirements pretty well just on here

I’m not patronising you but to be honest I did think your point was quite stupid. Fascism doesn’t turn up in jackboots straight away and fascist ideas are fully out there in our society at present and rising all across Europe and in the US. To not counter them and call them out for what they are, and instead to normalise and dismiss them, is perilously stupid.

I can't believe that the are posts on X saying it's totes normal and Obama did it too (he didn't by the way if you watch the full video that screen shot is from).

But posts on X saying it's OK that is just so weird.

My mind is blown. How could this be??!

FFS.

Why is Musk suddenly such an obsession with some pp?

Probably lack of hobbies and/or sex life.

Because he did two nazi salutes? Just hazarding a guess!

It was happening before that though. Is it since he started hating on Starmer?

Bless. It is clear that you never actually read the post to which I was responding. Don’t worry, lots of people don’t read things effectively and subsequently jump to conclusions about what they think they’ve read.

Why is he so obsessed with the UK? And why do the media pick up on everything unsubstantiated thing he says?

People who think that gesture is just a random hand gesture should go around using it repeatedly in polite company and see how it goes down.

Elon Musk has always supported Israel, as has Donald Trump.

The actual Nazis had no problem with the idea of the Jews fucking off and starting their own state. Indeed, they would have positively welcomed it, because murdering them turned out to be quite a costly business.

The relationship of the contemporary far-right to the Jews is complex, but it often comes down to "As long as they're not over here that's fine, and if they're killing a few Muslims while they're about it, then even better". A strange mixture of Zionism and anti-Semitism. Some Jewish people (Stephen Miller, Ben Shapiro, even Benjamin Netanyahu) try to be far-right as well, perhaps in the hope that the leopards won't eat their face.

Also he started pissing off the left generally by not pandering to the trans contingent on X

I don’t think he was flirting with facism - I think he wanted people to think he was. everytime people argue about musk - left v right, it doesn’t matter which side you take you’re doing Musks bidding. It’s quite funny, well it would be if the consequences weren’t so terrible. If musk is to be stopped people need to get their heads out their asses, forget the side show of left v right (spoiler alert Musk is neither and both) and wake up to what he’s doing. I can’t believe people really are this stupid and easily manipulated to be acting as his puppets, he’s got one puppet in his left hand another on his right- everyone is so busy looking at the puppets their not realising the puppet master is voicing both.

This is one of the most insane things I've ever read on Mumsnet.

No, I don't think men can become women. Nor do I believe in Utopian dimensions.Critical thinking clearly isn't part of your skillset given you jumped to a conclusion that confirms your existing bias.

You didn't ask a single question. You didn't seek any information. You didn't question yourself. You guessed something and immediately assumed you were right.

That's the polar opposite of critical thinking.

And I will repeat again...does KH support AfD in Germany or Tommy Robinson?

It is the context that matters here.

Musk isn’t just a crazy, ND, rocket obsessed, billionaire. He’s a genuinely dangerous man who wants to mess up other countries, just to prove how powerful he is. Once he’s screwed that country up, he will move onto the next one. USA done. Germany and the UK next?
Anyway, I’m off to a party. Have a nice evening.

This is my thinking too. Musk sees the world as a giant game of chess and he gets a kick out of causing a reaction.

Fair enough, he is meddling in UK politics!

Fuck me the guy can spin on a dime. What will it be next week?

Probably a dress and a pronoun change. He is King Troll.

Living in a city that’s really felt the effects of AfD funding, I can’t agree that it’s exactly the same .

I think he's dangerous too. And an unelected billionaire shouldn't be anywhere near the levers of power.

I don't think it was a Nazi salute and I don't think he's a Nazi.

*should be adf ! Too many right wing variations on those letters!

I’m sorry but your narrative is both incorrect and dangerous. Hitler anti semitism was deep rooted, to intimate if only the Jews had left Germany everything would be ok is either misinformed or deliberately anti semetic.,I presume you have read something about how Hitler blamed the Jews for Germany’s problems and somehow twisted this into he would have been happy if they had just left Germany.-so so dangerous, you have effectively just blamed Jews for the Holocaust.

Re the far right, where exactly is “over here”? Who are you thinking about is the far right? You also appear to be saying Jews are Muslim killers.

Your post sums up everything which is fundamentally wrong with the lefts view of history and the world. I’m horrified at your post, absolutely horrified because you probably don’t realise how bad it is.

I’m in my 40’s. I have a degree in history, my dissertation was about the holocaust and ww2. To draw comparisons between 1930’s Europe and what’s happening now is not flippant nor an idea that is specific to ‘young people’. Please don’t belittle peoples legitimate fears in this way. There is absolutely a rise in Nazi sympathies and we have a responsibility to call it out. Normalising it, tolerating it and excusing it is the road to fascism.

I feel like the problem is that post war generations grew up on a diet of a glorious fictionalised version of ww2 events that were designed to boost morale, but depicted Britain as the good guys, which we were in the main but of course the reality is more nuanced and complicated than that. To discuss and debate these ideas, to question the version of events that has previously been accepted is entirely academic and what the study of history is all about. Questioning Churchills character, as the example you gave, is a critical thinking task and should be applauded. It’s only in applying critical thinking in this way that we can establish a deep understanding of these events and stand a chance of ensuring that we don’t fall into the same traps as previous generations.

I feel like what you’ve described as desirable is a non academic version of history where there is one version of events that’s taught, no one questions it and we all move on to the next lesson.