Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

@IdPreferProsecco I don't necessarily want hard working social workers or police officers to be held personally accountable but the whole system needs looking at as something has gone very very wrong here. Changes can be made without reprimanding individuals.

Terrorism requires an ideology or cause. It’s a quirk of the definition.

1. “The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.

He didn’t seem to have links to any ideology or political goals.
Unless the government finally admits that misogyny is an ideology that espouses the oppression of women & girls and the political cause associated with that is we are not human and have no rights.

Yep - I think that’s where he is headed too.

The definition of terrorism is doing it with a political aim. Nothing has been put forward to suggest he was doing any of this with a political aim - he seems to be just a violent piece of shit. Serial killers aren’t classed as terrorists, regardless of who they kill.

If I murdered my family with ricin to get their inheritance, or blew up my office using instructions from the Al Qaeda manual because my boss had sacked me, I wouldn’t be classed as a terrorist.

Re terrorism and terror related offences. For a crime to be seen as terrorism one of the requirements is, as I understand it, relates to advancing political, religious or ideological causes. It appears this is not the case here. However he is charged with terror related offences including possession of terrorist materials and production of ricin. The two are distinct legally.

ETA cross posted with others

I did wonder about radicalisation but appears Prevent didn't seem to think so. I was thinking of Shemima Begum (I know that isn't the same as she didn't kill anybody with her own hands as far as we know) the reason I mention her is that some times kids from nice homes do end up screwed up.

There is no evidence that it was a terror related attack as there is no evidence of an ideological motivation. Merely having ricin and an Al Qaeda manual does not a terrorist make. That needs ideology and motive.

He won't as his defence team haven't provided a psych report. The BBC reporter said this meant he wouldn't be going to a secure prison.

OK, no need to get defensive, your comment as I posted above, clearly implied men and women commit violence at the same rate when mentally ill, if that's not what you meant, fair enough but it shows the original poster you replied to was absolutely right.

Have you ever been in either a prison or a secure hospital?

@justteaanbiscuits I can't specify offhand but there have been a few murders involving several random victims over the years where there isn't even any comment on whether it was terrorist related, and don't you remember when it was a thing and then suddenly stopped ? Or mostly anyway. That was after the government said we will now call ISIS "Daesh" to take away their power and de-sensationlise them. And it just stopped being talked about in the House of Commons. I understand why, but things are intentionally not transparent

He's back in court now

I'm opposed to capital punishment and won't ever change my mind on that, but fuck him feeling ill. I hope his fellow prisoners give him the treatment he deserves and he's handed a whole life tariff.

No they weren’t even slightly right. They said mentally ill women never attack others, it is just men.

All the women in secure hospitals after having murdered their children are sufficient proof that mentally ill women do attack others.

This ^

He is definitely guilty and no sentence passed can remedy the heinous nature of his crime. However this leads onto a much needed conversation about the management of violent children.

The past few years has seen a rise in extremely violent acts being committed by children. You hear the same story X was known to services, parents tried to get help, someone innocent has lost their life or had their life changed irrecoverably.

I am sick of it. I want the government to do something about it e.g. secure behavioural schools, better funded mental/social services, stronger sentences, changes to prison culture, so prison is not deemed 'nice' or a status badge.

Failure to deal with this issue is playing into the far rights hands. People have the right to feel safe. Today there has been another incident whereby a knifeman has committed an offence at a supermarket in the middle of the day. Now you have to worry when you go shopping. The youngster who was killed on his 10 minute journey back home from school. Elianne Andam killed on her way to school. It goes on and on and on.

This.

Never is indeed incorrect, but it's still a valid question, why are (mental ill) men so much more prone to violence than women.

I feel ill. What a COWARD.

I doubt any other prisoners will get close to him in there tbh.
The whole ' justice in prison ' thing is just said to make others feel better about him being in there.
It's the parents with the life sentence, not him

Presumably because non-mentally ill men are far more prone to violence than women? It’s not mental illness causing this (and this kid, like many other mass murders/spree killers is apparently not even mentally ill).

Yes, and so we need to ask why for God sake, not just shrug and accept it. We don't even know if this disgusting creature even is mentally ill.

No that's just what he wants those who can place him in a cushy hospital prison instead of an actual "serve your time!" prison.

Been removed again, saying he's ill ffs

The answer to the question is that men are more prone to violence than women for a multitude of reasons other than mental illness.

Mental illness doesn’t add to the risk of violence for men any more than it does for women, and it is only a tiny & equal increase in risk for both as over 98% of mentally ill people do not attack others.

Based on what we know now from the research which the article I linked clearly states that the research to date hasn’t done a good job untangling the many causes of violence. The example given is that often when mental illness causes violence it is usually mental illness + some other stressor happening at the same time.

Exactly. Thank you.