Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

We need capital punishment for people like this.

Actually, most of the time, appalling and catastrophic failures are due to organizational and systemic failures, rather than individual mistakes or people ‘not doing their job properly’.

I’ve worked in public services and have friends who work in SS, NHS and safeguarding services. The truth is, services are now so underfunded and the demand so high, that it’s so easy for things to go so terribly wrong. People are leaving in droves for these reasons, which leaves gaps in services and perhaps less experienced staff working above their competency.

I’m sure that there are people who aren’t fit to work in these positions, don’t care and should shoved out, but I suspect that they are in the minority. Almost without exception, the people ive worked with have been caring and extremely committed. However, we’ve long had a sense of coping by the ‘seat of our pants’ and a deep sense of foreboding that something could go terribly wrong. The workload was so great that it was simply impossible to manage.

We need to get angry at the people in government and those responsible for structuring and funding public services. Going on a witch hunt for people who have probably done their best within the constraints of a nightmarish system isn’t going to help anyone. It will only make things worse as people will be even more reluctant to take these roles.

I'm not asking, the person you originally replied to was, and you shut her down by implying women are just as violent. Women are allowed to be angry about this and ask why men are so fucking violent, mental illness or not. We don't even know if this guy is mentally ill.

The details are so harrowing and sickening. Such rage and sadness for those girls

Because men have more testosterone and more prone to direct violence maybe.

Women tend to choose indirect methods..perhaps.

I watch a lot of true crime... anecdotally I notice a trend of women using poison or egging on an affair partner or hiring a hitman to kill partners. Selling their children for sex purposes rather than abusing them directly etc...

Where as the men tend do the killing or abusing directly.

But I merely theorise.

I agree, people repeat this ‘prison justice’ mantra to make themselves feel better. Yes the male who produced Sara Sharif was attacked but as far as we know just the once. The English prison system is based on the principle of rehabilitation, and prison as punishment rather than for punishment, so no doubt that will apply to this evil specimen too. Unfortunately.

Was the prison you refer to used to house only the most depraved child murderers? No? Then I don’t see the relevance of your comment.

This! I’ve been teaching for 12 years and trying to get early intervention for MH is insanely hard for schools, families, everyone. An older colleague of mine once taught a boy in a nearby city who staff used to say was a “future newspaper headline.” Getting him help was a nightmare, his Mum was begging CAHMS, asking for a secure unit, etc. No one listened. He was sentenced for attempted murder before he was 20. Early intervention and support could save lives but we simply aren’t set up for it in this country.

He won't as his defence team haven't provided a psych report. The BBC reporter said this meant he wouldn't be going to a secure prison

Thanks for this. Many posts on another thread pushing the psych angle. There is no psych report from the defence team.

The witness accounts are harrowing. So upsetting to read. My heart goes out to everyone involved. Hope he rots.

What is “cushy” about hospital prisons?

No it’s stupid because you’ll put everyone who commits any minor crime in the same conditions.

Increase punishment by all means, I’d even listen to arguments for death penalty on a case as dire as this. Or a life in solitary confinement.

What would 'stopping' this boy look like? You can't lock people up for crimes they haven't committed.

Most people with schizophrenia do not go on killing sprees of young girls.It’s an illness that is treatable with medication.Let’s not start pointing fingers at various mental illnesses that do not lead to violence,it’s a disservice to the many people with various mental illness who work and contribute to society.

Exactly. Some of these responses are ridiculous.

I have no idea what this young man’s diagnosis is or may be in the future. While it is true to say the majority of schizophrenics are not violent to other people, a small minority are.

Our criminal lecturer said at law school that it's all well and good being found to be so mentally ill that it led to you committing murder, but all it means is instead of serving time with really fucking scary criminals, you have to serve it with really really fucking scary criminals! So I'm not sure it's the better option!

I can't even comprehend how the victim's families feel watching the CCTV and police footage in court. It must be absolutely harrowing.

As for the scumbag that committed these crimes - what a waste of oxygen he is.

No, the PP specifies it would be for the ‘absolute worst offenders’, not all prisoners.

Less prisoners, more staff (ratio wise), more security methods, less chance to be attacked by other prisoners in it, more letters and visits, more comforts in the cell and more.

Ian Huntley for example had a special prison cell built for him with TV and game station and his own items that he needed (those items being searched only once he had stored up enough medication in teabags that he'd pass back out of his cell to try commit suicide.) this was whilst he was in a prison hospital after he had faked mental illness long enough to get transfered.

Can you link where you found info on Ian Huntley's living conditions? Including gaming station. Just for verification.

Are we ever going to name this crime, and others like it as anti-female terrorism? That's what it is.

I don't think it's a coincidence he attacked girls at a Taylor Swift workshop just as I don't think it's a coincidence that Taylor Swift concerts have terrorist attacks planned against them.

It seems he already had harmed people, he'd been accessing illegal terrorist material and making RICIN. At what point of planning a massacre do the authorities step in? I've seen it reported that his parents phoned the police multiple times and stopped him going out multiple times - they knew something was going to happen yet no-one in authority helped them.

Yes, both.

The idea that a Broadmoor type would be more cushy than Wormwood Scrubs is fanciful, frankly. Ex alumni include Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Brady, Charles Bronson.

I believe it won’t be a whole life term due to him being 13 days away from being 18 at thd time of the murders.