Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

I totally get what you are saying. It's a very difficult situation.

A family member worked as a social worker until very recently but quit due to the massive workloads and very upsetting cases every single day.

A friend of mine struggles terribly with her eldest who can be very violent and has spent years begging for help from social services to no avail as they prioritise the extreme cases meaning many violent and troubled kids go unchecked.

I honestly don't know what the answer is. There isn't an endless pot of money but if my child was killed and there had been all these referrals and interventions that appear to not have had any impact whatsoever I would want to know why.

He's not mentally ill; just evil and violent in much the same way as ISIS killers (I think he researched ISIS).

Hopefully, the judge will sent him to one of the prisons for violent offenders and the guards there will "forget" to lock his cell door. An early death is too good for him, though - I want him to live a long life incapacitated and in constant pain, in much the same way as the families of his innocent victims have to cope with the mental agony of his diabolical actions.

I feel for his parents too. Imagine living knowing that your child had done such a henious thing. It's unfair for ppl to blame the parents. They were probably at their wits end. There were the multiple Prevent referrals, numerous visits from school and other agencies.They had obviously sought help and co operated. What were they supposed to do with an extremely violent, mentally unhinged 17 year old? Obviously, I feel for the innocent little children who were murdered, the injured and their families more. I only live a few minutes away from Southport, it's so, so shocking when something so evil happens on your doorstep.

On the Prevent referrals point - the reason given, so far, for why Prevent didn't take any action against him is because there was no evidence he had an ideology. For one of the referrals wasn't it based around him looking at media articles on school shootings, and seeming to be fascinated by violence?

Prevent doesn't exist to try to stop violent crimes. You don't make Prevent referrals because someone talks about shooting or stabbing people 'generically', or because they look to be potentially involved in gang violence or county lines drug running or engage in domestic violence, 98% of crimes or antisocial behaviour aren't of interest to Prevent. The sole focus of Prevent is terrorism and radicalisation. You've got to have an identifiable cause and ideology, otherwise it is 'just' violence. If you can't identify what his cause was, and he makes no claim about having one, how can people claim it was an attack on girls/children/Taylor Swift fans so clearly it was XYZ political motivation.

The Dunablane shootings of children - one of the worst cases of mass murder in UK history, but it wasn't terrorism. Unless you want to re-define what terrorism is, why not keep it as 'just' a truly horrible violent crime.

We were told it wasn't terrorist related when it clearly was!!

@PrincessScarlett "Agree with this. There were a lot of people involved in this young man's life that knew he was a ticking time bomb. 3 referrals to Prevent! Seriously, I could understand if he had one referral and they deemed him not to be a risk but 3 bloody times. Plus the amount of times police were called out.

It's so sickening that those 3 poor girls didn't have to die if there was proper funding and staff in place to deal with such dangerous individuals."

Can't you see the hypocrisy in your own statement? You acknowledge that those professions are understaffed and underfunded, but you still think individual workers should be held accountable? It's a systemic issue - all vilifying individuals does is leader to poorer services because good people are too scared to enter these careers.

I'll save my sympathy with the parents for now. Who knows if the way he was brought up made him do what he did?

People always say that at times like this, and whilst I wouldn’t mind at all if that were the case, is it actually true and does it actually happen? I mean, they’re all criminals, some worse than others obviously, but I imagine he won’t be locked up with Jeff who does a little bit of dodgy dealing down the Roman. He’ll be kept away?

No I understand, that's what I'm asking for evidence, because in my experience, mentally ill men are far more likely to be violent than mental ill women are. You said: When they do attack others, it’s about equal between men and women which doesn't seem to be true. As in every other area, male violence way, way out numbers female violence.

That too. So many posters saying it couldn't be

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His parents didn't call the police five times. Social services requested police attendance each time they attended the house to visit with Axel as they didn't feel safe being near him.

If adults are requesting police support to be near your child should you really be leaving them to have free roam? But when they are not under an official section or similar how can you stop them?

Like others I suspect evil not mad. His behaviour his words, his actions previously.... Just an evil spiteful little boy out to cause as much harm and grieving to as many people as possible. For that act alone he should have a full life tariff with no chance of parole even if he was just over a week off his 18th birthday.

Cowardice is not illness. He should be gagged to prevent his complaints and forced to listen to every word from those poor girls family and the judges and prosecution barristers.

Yes, I think it’s justified to blame the system here but not the individuals who have to work within that flawed system.
Personally, I think we need to change our mindset as a country. If we want good public services then we need to be prepared to pay much higher taxes. After all, there’s no point having more money in your pocket if you can’t get medical treatment when you need it and when society is getting more and more lawless due to police cuts.

It’s not terrorist related as we understand terrorism, unless they decide that misogyny is an ideology and VAWG are therefore terror attacks.

Yes it's true and it does happen!
So 🤞 🤞

I don't know whether he's unwell or not, but there's clearly something very wrong in his mind that he seemingly chose to do this.

Those poor, poor girls, I hope he gets the absolute maximum possible sentence.

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@DanxingFerret I think he IS ISIS I have seen a few things over the years that make me think the government has been covering up terrorist attacks for a while or at least withholding information about them. The idea was to de- sensationalise it

Making the reporting of dangerous individuals, or failing to report sexual abuse, was one of the recommendations in the 2022 grooming report that the tories ignored.

Why all this talk about him being mentally ill and needing help? Some people are just fucking psychopathic pieces of shit and all the 'help' in the world won't change them. Most mentally ill people wouldn't dream of hurting another person.

But I have no idea what can be done to stop these things happening other than making the penalties for carrying knives or committing other less serious crimes far far greater i.e. put them in prison before they can hurt anyone - but they can't be kept inside for the rest of their life (not enough prison places anyway) so at some point they'll be out probably with no rehabilitation and be just as dangerous as ever.

This !! wtf is that all about ?! Downloading terror manuals, making ricin ? How the hell is that not terror related?!?!

Again, you have misunderstood what I meant, and that was mental illness as a factor that causes violence is about equal between men and women. Please stop demanding evidence for something completely different. I apologise for not wording that one sentence better, I though the larger context of the paragraph made it clear I was talking about mental illness as an isolated cause of violence.

His picture scares the absolute bejeezes out of me. He's clearly mentally ill. Is he schizophrenic or something?

You do that then.
We don't know how he was brought up but clearly not to murder children. It is possible to have nuanced sympathy for all parties (not the killer) including more for the families of the young children.

What have you seen that makes you think they are covering up terrorist attacks?