Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

Well they just voted Labour so yes

I remember when Care in the Community was introduced. The Tories clearly only cared about saving money but there was also a lot of talk from left-leaning people about institutionalising the mentally ill being stigmatising and unjust.

Anybody with any actual sense could see that the mentally ill were not going to be 'cared' for and all that would happen was massive social problems along with devastating acts of violence.

Cases like this are why I say bring back hanging.

It’s easy to say that now that he has committed the crime but before that he was just one in a large number of disturbed teenagers in a system without the capacity to treat them all.
It makes me angry that people are looking to blame the people who do very stressful jobs for everyone’s benefit.

The killer wasn't taken to hospital.

Thanks, but theres nothing in there that backs your claim that mentally ill women are just as violent. It's also about the US, not the UK, we don't have access guns here like they do, so we have a different environment.

How do you tell which newborns are born evil? Is there some sort of test or sign to look for?

I would have absolutely no objection to the death penalty for this criminal and this crime- tomorrow, no right of appeal, death by hanging.

I read online that he was taken to hospital, but clearly that was incorrect !

that being said he has no diagnosed mental health issues except autism?

Nitpicking, but autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder, not a MH issue. It is characterized by social and communication problems, so there is correlation (but NOT causation) with the “loner” type, the overwhelming majority of whom never hurt anybody.

There’s a middle ground, where people with learning disabilities etc are not institutionalised for life, but we have a functioning mental health system with enough beds to admit those who need inpatient treatment.

Sadly that would be costly, and nobody wants to pay for “mad people” (or old people with dementia) to have decent care.

What were we told were the initial motives for the murders, I can't remember now.

The live updates regarding the CCTV footage on the Liverpool Echo are some of the most horrifying things I’ve ever read. Those poor poor children and dance teachers. & also to the members of the public who stepped in and parents who witnessed the scenes.

I’m not even going to mention that things name but fucking hang the bastard.

Exactly . What is and always has been needed is something in between the horrible cruel overcrowded asylums and care in the community. There should be more psychiatric hospitals but with better standards of care than they had.

Normally you can tell when they start slaughtering small children before they turn 18.

A lot of professional were involved with this evil little shit. Police, SS, schooling and Prevent. Why didn’t anyone stop him? These people have questions to answer.
It was the same with the poor girl Sara (apologies can’t remember her surname) who was tortured by her father recently.
We’re all fed up of people who are supposed to care, NOT doing those jobs properly!

He’ll get everything he deserves inside prison. I don’t think he’ll survive for long with all his teeth, bones and vital organs intact!

I think you misunderstood what I meant. I was replying to the poster that said mentally ill women never attack others it’s just men. I was saying that the vast majority of mentally ill people don’t attack others, and when they do it’s about equal between men and women. As in mental illness as a factor that causes violence is about equal between men and women. It increases the likelihood of violence by around 2% in both sexes.

But 2% increase on men who do 90% of violence is not the same as 2% increase on women who do 10% of violence…understand?

We have to untangle whether the cause of any violence is due to being mentally ill vs other factors including your sex.

I hate when autism is brought into by the media, it makes me think some people think every autistic person is a fucking psychopath. I am autistic, so is ds. We're both extremely empathetic people. But some people get an idea asd = no empathy and therefore capable of horrific crimes like this.

Absolutely and intensive long term psychotherapy for those who can be in the community but need help. Though that one won't apply to those whose illnesses are incurable as it seems likely with this dude.

This is ridiculous. Of course, it is easy to say now that he was a huge risk but those professionals are having to make horrendously difficult choices every day. It is likely that there are thousands of similar young men who are isolated from society and they can’t deal with all of them.

I hope he gets a good hiding in prison. If I was one of those prison officers I don't think I could hold back from doing harm to him

So their childhood has nothing to do with it? Research says otherwise.

Those poor parents having to listen to the details of what happened that day.
It is horrific.

Sadly, and from seeing first hand some social workers (I worked in an agency recruitment firm then, many moons ago), I was struck by the lack of urgency - but sadly there was a desperate need for people and so pretty much anyone with any experience was taken on for agency social work. Many - not all - were not from the UK and many just didn't seem to have any get-up-and-go or willingness to want to help or show compassion or 'think outside the box'.

Maybe that's unfair but it is what I saw. Of course it's not a high status job necessarily but you have people in these jobs who don't necessarily want to be there and who don't have, perhaps, the education or personality to follow through and think beyond the tick box on the form.

So many opportunities lost.