Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

They didn't try to avoid it. They actively called the police on him 4 times in 6 months a few years prior. After one incident with a knife, the police returned him home and told his mum to keep knives away from him.

No, social services called the police, not the parents. Don’t spread misinformation, please - there could be serious consequences for that in this country.

Of course he's ill, or, if not technically "ill", seriously deranged and maladjusted. He is an absolute danger, should be kept under heavy sedation and never released.

@User8646382

• It can now be revealed that two years before the Southport attack, Rudakubana’s parents had called police four times in six monthsasking for help. On one of those occasions, he was caught carrying a blade on a bus, but officers did not detain him and instead took him home and told his mother to keep knives out of his reach.*

You were saying?

I have experienced these exact services, personally. I'm not ignorant. I know they're lacking, and worse since covid and 2019.

That is the point of being outraged and discussing action! Plenty of people get put on 72 hour holds, plenty of people get contained at times psychiatrically against their will. With far less knowledge of their bad intents or will; which is usually against themselves, not others! That was my experience anyway. He never was.

What people are so upset by in this case is he was clearly disturbed for a long time, and there was clear evidence of malicious intent to innocent people, which was not acted on to contain, not enough; by his parents, or by the multiple agencies allegedly alerted to his conduct and behaviour.

Maybe this happens every day and they don't turn into what he did. What we have to figure out is how to stop what he did, because he's left a trail of broken and grieving people behind who will never recover.

This is what I've read. They say the parents in these reports. They give examples of the parents calling the Police. The Police felt they couldn't do anything and that's either because legally they couldn't or because was a resource issue or because they were just fobbing the parents off and leaving them to it.

There would have been NO WHERE for the parents to send him. I doubt cutting his internet off would have solved it. He probably would have tried to batter his mum. She would have been shit scared of him I have no doubt.

@User8646382 you need to get up to date with proposals on terrorist charges, how have you missed it?

No wonder the country is in such a state etc

@Anonymus89 according to this article they did try to stop him going on the internet-https://www.itv.com/news/2025-01-23/what-was-known-when-by-authorities-about-axel-rudakubana
In May 2022, Rudakubana's father called the police reporting that his son's behaviour had escalated after being denied access to a computer. Police attended and his parents asked for assistance to help them cope.

I can see why they just thought it safer to let him use the internet. Probably threatened all sorts if they didn't. But MN users apparently would've done better.

Under English law, a patient who is competent to take decisions may not be treated—including by artificial feeding—against his or her will. You're right there.

The exception is patients covered by the Mental Health Act 1983, who may be treated against their will even if they are competent—but only if the treatment is for their mental disorder.

The force feed of Brady went to court because Brady didn't want to be force fed. The judge held that the force feeding was treatment for Brady's mental disorder.

Remember also that Brady was detained in a special hospital rather than 'regular' prison

Exactly. It wasn’t the parents’ fault the services they reached out to for help was very underfunded and only geared to help those with extreme ideological and religious beliefs.

A very nasty murder happened in my DD’s extended social circle. Nasty enough that the young man (almost always is!) was put away for many years and I’d be surprised if he was ever released. His parents had sought no help for this young man, even though there were many red flags. And the parents of DD’s former friend who could have prevented the murder but who didn’t take it seriously, seemed more concerned that the story would be buried so they would not experience social embarrassment. And it was buried because the victim was under 18.

The Southport killer’s parents in contrast tried a lot harder to get help.

Yes, I’ve been following the thread for the same reason. My DH and I have been begging for help for years for our 2 adopted DDs of 15 and 12. DD1 is finally becoming more cooperative with us, though she does have pronounced neurological issues; she has a diagnosis of FASD and is being assessed for epilepsy.

DD2 is in a very bad place, she’s refused to go to school since May last year and she’s becoming increasingly aggressive towards me in particular. She’s now also showing signs of being radicalised as well. In the most recent set-to, she demonstrated a fascination with violent protest.

So I’m uncomfortable about the criticism of the parents on this thread. Maybe they were negligent. But alternatively, maybe they were begging for help and not getting the support they needed.

And maybe they were also terrified. And not knowing what to do to change things.

Ian bloody Huntley tried that one !!!

I know services are over stretched but surely this case should have been prioritised. The guy is clearly incredibly mentally ill albeit not criminally insane.

And who exactly has released this information to the media? It’s all a bit strange, don’t you think?

I mean, these were the parents who lived with him in a tiny house where he hoarded weapons (which they signed for) and made ricin.

The father is a black belt in karate and we’re supposed to believe that he had no control of this kid or this situation? That it’s actually the fault of the police who wouldn’t help him? Look at the photo of the family living room further up the thread. Did Dad just sit there while the boxes of knives piled up around him?

So if your kids start ordering knives, machetes and arrows from Amazon, will you sign for them?

@LizzieW1969 you have all my sympathy. I'm active on threads like that situation you describe all the time. Those on this thread would understand if they saw how many describe a situation like you're describing on those other threads. It's constant.

And you've just highlighted that very important problem of vulnerability to any form of radicalisation online. I know in this case no one sees him as a victim. They are important issues though.

I hop there's some hope somewhere for you in this situation you're dealing with ❤️

Yes an evil murdering one.

@User8646382

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/23/police-failed-to-arrest-southport-killer-when-caught-with-knife-two-years-before-attack

Most of the information comes from the assistant chief constable of Lancashire if I'm reading that article correctly.

Did Dad just sit there while the boxes of knives piled up around him?

Unpack while dad isn't there. Hide knife on his person. Put it under the bed.

@User8646382 so dad has the strength to overpower him. And then? Tie him up and put him in the cupboard?

The living room was a state. So are lots of living rooms. I'm not sure if you're suggesting they're all in on it or that they are culpable.

I'll go read up on the Amazon purchases.

This was a neighbour being interviewed. They showed the messages between her and the dad saying they'd had more parcels.

I understand that there was no terror plot found because he didn't appear to have a racial/religious etc etc motive, but given the Taylor Swift theme of the girls day in Southport and then three Taylor concerts going on to be cancelled due to potential terror attacks within 10 days of each other it does make you wonder if there was a link somehow.

The link could even have just been that he saw some rumblings on the Internet around the nefarious websites he viewed about something being organised by another teenage monster who pledged allegiance to ISIS and was going to her concert to kill himself and large crowd of her fans in Vienna. Perhaps AR saw the advertising of the fun day and wanted to do something similar and kill as many of her fans as he could?

The sheer fact that someone thinks about harming such young children is terrifying but sadly he wasn't alone given that the Manchester Ariana Grande bomber also purposely targeted young people out for an innocent good time. I will never understand how that could ever enter someone's head

You cannot say "he is a minor and therefore he has diminished culpability and a reduced sentence" without shining a very strong light on the others who were responsible for him, in the eyes of the law, that gives him that advantage of youthful leniency because others were responsible for his actions.

I would like to see a thorough inquiry into the parents, and the services the parents allegedly called for help and were refused. Because otherwise this happens again and again. If an inquiry shows parents asked repeatedly for help and didn't get it, then that is their absolution, their own peace and the focus should be on the services. It doesn't absolve anyone of questions being asked. There are three dead children here.

@LizzieW1969 nobody is attacking you or your children. We are asking if in one specific case, where a clearly disturbed minor was repeatedly demonstrating a threat to other humans, who has gone on to kill three without remorse, and maim and traumatise many more, could have been stopped, and by who. Conflating the two situations doesn't help, it stops people from asking valid questions in fear of offending those with struggles of their own.

@Firefly1987
In 2022, he was still a minor. If my child ever denied me access to a PC or mobile that I AM PAYING FOR, it wouldn’t just be taken away—it’d be out the window and I mean it. So to say he “denied access” is laughable.

All they had to do was cut off the internet at home and not pay his mobile bill. They didn’t even need to physically take his device away for that. Good luck to him finding money out of thin air.

This highlights exactly what’s wrong with this fucking country. Parents are expected to negotiate with children who are given far too much autonomy, and when things go wrong, they’re left being terrorized in their own homes. It’s no wonder we’re seeing situations like this; society has become so soft it’s unreal.

You are living on a fools paradise if you think this would bother him. Moors murderer Ian Brady would not tell one of his victims mother where her boy was buried and she was dying. People like him and the vile thing A R get off on causing pain to their victims and vicariously to their grieving loved ones.