Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

There will be a lot of ' arse covering ' during this enquiry because there always is.
Passing the Buck.
It's all so depressingly familiar to all the other enquires that go on following such a hideous crime.

Yes, a parent. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.....

Social workers visiting him requested police presence. That tells you that he was somehow threatening and they feared for their safety.
I also wonder if his parents tried to avoid alerting the authorities for whatever reason, embarrassment, shame, fear of him being placed in protective care. I’m certain that if social workers had to request this when visiting a child something would be done.
Professionally I’ve known paramedic teams refuse to enter a house without police supervision to the extent that the patient was not attended to for quite sometime due to previous violence.

If councils have insufficient money from central government to do their job safely whose fault is it ?

oh hmm. I don’t really want to keep following this story as it just upsets me even further but I presume Amazon would be covering their arses too. If they did not ask for ID, I don’t see how they can prove that. Forget the picture of the killer when he was young in school uniform, his current picture he could most definitely pass as an “adult”. Which I guess is anyone over 18

It's a shame that he couldn't have been sectioned , but I suppose they will say that he couldn't.

I was just watching the BBC coverage and he apparently kept sending parcels to his neighbours' houses instead of having them delivered to his house.

Of course the Amazon driver could be lying. When I've ordered vape juice or alcohol, they just ask my year of birth. But then I'm 42 so probably wouldn't ask to see I.D 😅 I assume if I looked young (under 25?) they would have or should have asked for I.D?
Why would the neighbour accept a parcel to their house that their underage neighbour has ordered....?

Why should he be sectioned. He’s evil he’s not ill. He even said he was glad those little girls were d**d. If he was having a psychotic episode he’d have been absolutely broken when he realised what he’d done.
I do apologize to you though if you mean he should have been sectioned prior to these sickening murders and attempted murders

Yes total agree. I talk about services failing but ultimately I realise it's because their funding was completely stripped.
I recall working in Local Government approx 20 years ago when the withdrawal of funding for multiple support services was incredibly noticeable to us.

It's like people expect his parents to be able to watch him 24/7 and restrain him if he wants to go out. There's a good chance they'd already been doing that for four years but it finally got to a point he was too big and strong. I also have a sibling with schizophrenia so I know how hard it is to get them help, and how little the MH services actually listen to family.

At least with schizophrenia they usually come out of psychosis at some point, but with whatever was going on with AR it doesn't sound like that would be the case. Unless something more comes out I wouldn't place any blame with his parents at all.

"Merely having ricin and an Al Qaeda manual does not a terrorist make" what about if you then arm yourself with a large knife, then deliberately travel to where you know there are lots of little defenseless girls dancing to Taylor Swift, then proceed to butcher some little girls, does that then a terrorist make?!

It was obvious that this was the case. And we’re not talking one knife here - he had a whole cache of weapons, all signed for by his parents. If they were as helpless and fearful as many of the comments on this thread speculate, why did they not refuse to take delivery of Axel’s parcels?

And why exactly are these people being protected, please?

There were multiple factors suggesting his mind was disordered and that his thinking was not the same as typical people.

I understand before the age of 18 you can't actually diagnose Anti Social Personality Disorder which includes sociopathy or psychopathy. Not the traditional definition of being ill or mentally ill, but clearly totally ' fucked' in his mind. There is a scary absence of empathy here that is not typical.

I think it's incredibly difficult to section someone. I imagine there are so many scary people we'd want to section who are capable of all sorts but you can't section them.

But nothing was done and that's why people are rightly questioning the efficacy of the involved services, and the culpability of the parents given their knowledge of risk.

I don't spend a lot of time wondering how my local council services are funded, nor my wider services - I just pay my income tax, road tax, council tax, VAT, national insurance, company tax etc etc etc and expect that within that vast funding, services exist to prevent innocent little girls being stabbed to death. It hasn't, and we have people wanting to understand why. That's incredibly valid.

Quite often there are threads on here from desperate parents trying to get help for violent teenagers who are terrorising their families and getting no help whatsoever, or passed from pillar to post. I suspect his parents were in that boat.

Totallymessed · Today 20:58

SinnerBoy · Today 20:56
JessiesJ99

Really? Why?

I think it's mainly because the cops lord it over them. I've a friend whose mother worked in Durham, on the men's unit and she loathed them, because they turn up and arrogantly try to boss the prison staff.

The parents probably thought they were containing him. They’d been used to doing for years.

Perhaps they might have more money if they didn’t have so many people twiddling their thumbs doing totally redundant jobs. All with generous pensions, which ‘austerity’ has never affected, funnily enough.

@missionchub I think that's why so many of us who have dealt with these services, sought help from services or work within them are banging this drum alot on here.

If it doesn't impact people personally it's understandable to find it unfathomable someone could be saying 'help us' multiple times and get no help. Even with the resources ( they are almost non existent), there's the question of what could they do if they couldn't forcibly take him into a place where they rammed some sort of medication down his throat. For psychopathic people ( I know he isn't deemed to be but he has scary traits of zero empathy) they do sometimes give them medication sick as antidepressants. I have no clue if that would sort this one out. I doubt it.

Again it's like the cases such as Dahner where I doubt medication was going to change their disordered personality type.

He should never be released. He is a danger to society. Someone who kills not one, but 3 innocent little children, they should never ever get to taste freedom again.

There is no evidence that it was a terror related attack as there is no evidence of an ideological motivation. Merely having ricin and an Al Qaeda manual does not a terrorist make. That needs ideology and motive.

It looks like that's going to change so for a horrendous terror inducing crime such as this when people say it's terrorism they'll be right.

His desire was to kill more. All 26

I agree he should rot in prison

@Firefly1987 No, they couldn’t watch him 24/7, but once problems started to emerge, cutting off his internet wouldve been a good start to stop access to the materials that likely fueled his mindset. It’s clear the parents probably faced significant challenges with him, but it’s not as though he was entirely overlooked by the system. Unlike many parents struggling with aggressive teenagers who find it difficult to access support. He was already on the radar, referred to services, and the process had begun. Yet, somewhere along the line, someone decided there wasn’t enough to warrant further action.

If whatever evidence was presented to Prevent and other services, wasn’t enough for them to act, then what about the fact that he was referred three separate times? Not a single caseworker looked at this pattern and thought, hmm, this is the third referral—twice we dismissed it, and now it’s back again—maybe there’s a deeper issue here. This isn’t about a lack of resources; it’s a glaring failure of bloody common sense. One referral being overlooked might be understandable, but three ?!?!

@EasternStandard - Have you ever read anything as preposterous as that? I mean, how would you even begin to deconstruct such a bizarre statement?

With that type of magical thinking, backed up by at least 50% of comments on here, this country is in so much trouble.