Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

JessiesJ99 · Today 16:41

Not happened to Wayne Couzens yet unfortunately.
True, but he was a copper (prison officers will have more time for him). And he didn't murder children.

Screws absolutely hate coppers. In the past, attacks on paedophile were winked at, but now, there's an awful lot of paperwork and scrutiny, which may lead to sackings. They're far more diligent in protecting vile prisoners these days, although one will get him event.

@Tittat50 no I think it's still problematic to spread unsubstantiated claims

Really? Why?

I think we as a voting public need to ask ourselves why we consistently voted for parties that were happy to cut funding to CAMHS. Look at the waiting lists for referrals ! Not just that but also police numbers, social workers, pastoral teaching staff. Hell we won’t even allow new prisons to be built because of the threat to house prices. We really are our own worst enemies.

I mean prison staff hating coppers. Would have thought they'd see themselves as on the same side. Or do mean they just hate the police who end up in prison?

Well yes if the recommendations are never acted on like the grooming gang one.

I imagine there would have been at least one referral or contact with CAMHS. The likelihood is they didn't have the resources to do anything. They may have felt based upon what they had information/ referral wise, can we actually do anything here, particularly with an Autism diagnosis which I understand has led many parents to be pushed away by CAMHS.

CAMHS will cover their ass here because to be fair to them their resources are so abysmal there's no easy solution if it were to become apparent they should have done more. I fear that's why we have alot of attention on Amazon and knives!

Totally agree, some people can't be rehabilitated, and those people should stay in prison. But I would argue that most can.

This issue is why I'm so invested in this thread. It's not because I'm an apologist for a killer.

I believe the general public have no clue how severely underfunded and lacking these services are until something in their personal life makes them see it.

This thread is about AR, the comment I responded to was more general.
I think there should be work put in to try to help him. I don't know whether or not that would be successful.

I doubt they would take the offer to be honest, their day to day lives are perfectly comfortable.

Well he is sick in the head.

Disgusting. It's people like you who send fan mail and their knickers in to Josef Fritzel.

Absolutely. Until their child is failed or elderly parent dies in the corridor of an A/E dept. And it’s easy to blame individual professionals rather than see the wider picture. Some social workers or nurses etc are negligent, no doubt, but far more are just overworked, underfunded. So physically stretched they cannot do the job safely.

I have actually wondered how many would take this up if given the chance.

A man on lbc earlier on was in that court today and he was saying that his lack of remorse was astonishing. He said he had never seen anything like it before and he often covers court hearings and proceedings.
My thoughts are with the victims and the ones who survived as they really are the ones with the life sentence here. It's just so sad and upsetting.

No, of the ones that can’t be rehabilitated and should never be released, they SHOULD be left to rot. He is one of them.

I wouldn’t. A lot can’t. More than people realise.

Totally agree, his face would have been the last thing those poor terrified little girls would have seen, their pain and fear are incomprehensible. I remember Sarah Everard's family begging the media to stop putting her photo next to that of her rapist and killer.

You do have to question why he was still allowed unfiltered access to the internet. That seems like the bare minimum they could’ve done.

I'm not sure if the mum was in the picture. I will hazard a guess the mum was really scared of him. No one can imagine what he was like at home and how aggressive he was. There would have been NO WHERE for the parents to send him. The Police weren't interested or able to do anything of worth.

I personally, knowing as little as I do this far about his home life, would have wanted him medicated on some bloody strong antidepressants. They might have had no control over that whatsoever. Let's remember this kid was not blimmin normal.

Nobody is baying for blood. Hopefully. What is being questioned and discussed is the potential for culpability if behaviour and actions or intent were clear and known, or being allowed, facilitated or permitted at home. And IS IT right or reasonable to hold parents to account for the actions of their children, when they are prosecuted and sentenced more leniently for being minors (ie diminished capacity in the care of parents). The uk is not, helpfully, a litigious society, however it is right and fair to question if this could have been prevented, and if sufficient reasonable action was taken, across all responsible parties.

We can say all we like services are so stretched it's not fair to blame them and then someone else says that person wasn't supported so that's to blame and then someone else says set him on fire, he's just bad.

That is discourse and these discussions are the only thing, combined with action, that helps.

Amazon are claiming that the knives used in the attack were handed over to an adult upon delivery.

Telegraph

I see your point but this had clearly been building since he was fairly young, so their intervention in this kinda way could’ve prevented it escalating and causing the death of 3 innocent girls.

I know I keep going on about it, there are parents on their knees begging for help from CAMHS atm. The situation is so diabolical it's very frightening. If they asked for help, you can guess they would have been told no we can't help, or no we can't he's Autistic so not our remit ( Autism not a MH condition). Or we will see him in 4 years time.

It truly is that bad. Suicidal kids are referred to an app. I mean it's no better for adults who are usually sent home from hospital the day after a failed suicide attempt. ( I've witnessed this too many times as a regular chronic illness visitor to hospital).

If SServices and school were flagging issues I imagine they would have flagged to CAMHS even if the parents didn't. They are going to cover their arse here guaranteed.