Killer claims to be ill

[Galatine]

According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

I am not even vaguely qualified to question the decision of a judge who has had many many years of training and experience and studying the law. He also knows far far more about the specifics of this case than I do.

And yet you did. But I agree he does know far far more and has years of training,

It isn't a deterrent it is to keep us, society, safe from someone like him.

When he gets out in his seventies - if he's lucky and hasn't died in prison - he should be too old to go on a rampage.

Where did I question his decision?

But there is little evidence that longer sentences keep society any safer.
Remember the sentence in most cases is the minimum someone will serve in prison, not the date they will be released.

It is just the legal/criminal definition. It doesn't mean the person is 'normal'. But it is used to separate psychosis, which is treatable and which the person is not at fault for, from personality disorders or other issues.

Yes, my great grandmother spent many years in a mental asylum (infact she was there for many years until she died). She was a Romany Gypsy woman with lots of kids by different men (they were all put in care).

Off topic I know and she certainly wasn't middle or upper class & the hospital didn't look like that 😅

Long sentences aren't supposed to be a deterrent. It's to keep those people away from law abiding citizens. If more prisons have to be built, so be it.

It seems the media still aren't being clear about what happened - I've seen the claim that his parents called the police multiple times, but also claims that it was social services who called the police after going to his home and not feeling safe around him.

He does. You only need read a few bits and look at his behaviour.

Do you think a typically minded person could do what he did and behave in court the way he did because he had awful parents and was a bit angry?

He displays a complete absence of empathy. His behaviour in court also points to that. There is no comprehension of the emotional impact of what he's done. I wonder what the psychiatric assessment covered beyond the realms of are you criminally insane.

If we still had mental asylums they would have put me in one a long time ago! And not for being mentally ill. Definitely terrifying. No easy answers to all this which makes it so distressing.

I expect we will find out from the inquiry if there was a CAMHS referral. I expect there probably was. I think this case is going to really highlight multiple failings of services. That is not to remotely exonerate him. But it’s important to look at because if things could have been done better those little girls would still be alive.

I dunno, I suppose to a certain extent people like this are deviant. There is something mentally abnormal about them. Whether that crosses the line into mental illness is another question I suppose.

Absolutely this.

I don't think i've ever seen such an ugly person.

@Tittat50 why push that narrative when there's no psych report to back it up?

It's not useful to spread false information

But virtually everyone in prison now will be released one day, and could be your neighbour.
Isn't it better, and cheaper, to focus on preparing people for release, rather than building more and more prisons and leaving people to rot?

@Reugny
The lack of empathy for the victims parents is screaming here. What is wrong with attempting to force, temporarily, without any bodily harm, someone to hear the words spoken from his victims survivors, and the judge passing his sentence.

If that took a brief mouth gag, then I really don't see how your liberal heart could be offended. He's not harmed in the process, and the real focus of the judicial process, the victims and families, could speak their pain and maybe move on. He could hear exactly why he is receiving the sentence he has.

I don't support capital punishment. I don't support vigilante violence in prisons. I support convicted violent offenders hearing the result of their horrible actions. Because quite often, it's maybe exactly the thing they need to hear and there is a psychological reason they fight it. If you're so far on the left you think rehabilitation is always possible, then hearing the impact of their crimes is the start.

@MrsSchrute it's doubtful he will be released. Good

Yeah, they should work in tandem. Rehabilitation is the preferred outcome obviously. I didn’t say they should be left to rot. Some people however can’t be rehabilitated. I work in criminal justice btw.

It upset me today when Sky News put up photos of the three little girls with his face next to them on the screen. I felt absolutely sickened that they could do that.

Fair enough but no one wants a high security prison building nearby because of the effect on house prices. The government are trying to build a new one in Lancashire but there’s a lot of local resistance.

You are completely right in that there is no evidence to support anything I've said at all. I don't believe for one minute this kid is completely typical minded. Questioning this, rightly so, is completely fine.

If I were spreading a narrative such as ' this guy is a Muslim and immigrant and should be deported ' I understand why one would be concerned with such a false narrative and that should be shut down.

No matter what is going on with this kid ( and I'll stand by the reality he is not typical like most of us) he's been locked away, as he should.

Well, this thread is about AR, and I very much hope he dies in prison. (Not saying I hope he is murdered by another prisoner, before you accuse me of really being no better than him).

I don't really see any point in trying to rehabilitate him tbh, I suspect he would use any attempt to engage him in therapy as an opportunity to manipulate and cause distress to the HCPs involved.

I can never see the point of enquires because it's generally more money to tell us about lack of joined up thinking and failings by everyone from the parcel delivery company for the weapons he was able to obtain right up to the authorities and the police. It's the same old same old time and again and the same old ' lessons will be learnt '
They never are it seems.

How can people blame his parents , we don’t know if they had sought help for this killer , he’d been investigated 3 times by Prevent , been referred to various other agencies and had lots of intervention by police so we don’t know they didn’t instigate these referrals , their lives have been blighted too by his actions maybe because I had a sibling with schizophrenia, there were times when he desperately needed to be admitted to hospital for his own safety as he was hearing voices , it was always really hard to get admitted despite family trying their best to get him help, the help wasn’t there hopefully many years later other families won’t face that now but sadly I think they probably do😰