Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

It is almost impossible to get any kind of mental health care for people under 18 due to services having been cut to the bone.

You have more chance of winning the lottery without buying a ticket than you do of having an ill teenager admitted into in-patient care.

Exactly this.
It is very easy to say he was a monster, pure evil etc. That way he is the anomaly and we don't have to do anything or change anything.
Rather than accepting that he was a perfectly normal boy with significant issues that were ignored.
Multiple people on this thread have expressed glee at the thought of his death.
He committed an abhorrent crime, no doubt, but this poster is right - we have a huge, multifaceted problem with our society.

They're not legally allowed to purchase them themselves. Hell, until this week when he turned 18, Luke Littler the darts prodigy couldn't legally by his own darts because of the same rule.

This!!!!! All day long. I was wondering exactly the same thing earlier.

I understand from the Guardian that his parents called the police on 4 seperate occasions as they were aware he was carrying knives to school? Lancs police visited his home and told his mum the best course of action was to keep knives out of his reach…

But really, this isn’t the fault of the police, social workers or anyone else apart from this very evil young man. I doubt he will ever feel any remorse but no doubt we will hear in a few years from some bleeding heart advocate of prison reform that he has found religion, turned over a new leaf and is showing exemplary behaviour. They will start campaigning for his release because it’s “unfair” to lock someone so young away for the rest of their lives, he was traumatised, we can’t judge him by his worst day and some such shit.

I actually think taking this approach would be a monstrous thing to do to the girls' families. Psychologically tormenting them with the constant knowledge of him being potentially released after a short time.

Yes, I expect this evil man will ''find'' religion, just as that revolting Chris Watts did.
Wasn't there some old chap who tried to fight for Myra Hindley's release, saying she was a Christian and reformed?

Lord Longford I think it was, but Thankfully she stayed in jail, until her last breath as this evil monster must.

There is nothing that can even begin to heal the pain of what happened to them. There can be no justice in this case.

However, our justice system is not based on getting revenge on the perpetrator, it is based on the risk that person represents to society. Once someone is no longer a risk to society, why keep them locked away?

I have no expertise in this area whatsoever, but from the very limited information available it is hard to see how the risk to society from AR could ever be mitigated, so I would imagine he will be locked away until he dies.

A previous poster who is a psychiatrist said it wouldn't have achieved anything anyway, as he didn't have an illness to treat.

@missionchub @User8646382 all I ever see @JHound do is ask incredibly reasoned questions and reply with incredibly measured points and things to ponder. All she is doing, is pointing out some very pertinent points.

Not all of us are going to scream ' kill them all'. There will be other children in this family. They should not have their lives ruined because of their clearly deranged sibling.

I don't believe for one minute the parents did not once say can someone help here please. Whatever failings may come to light, I think it's very simple to assume they are just a family of ' baddies'.

He has an autism diagnosis, which overlaps with some mental health conditions. Who can say, unless they are the professionals that are psychologically assessing him? The fact is justice has been done and the public are safe from him. Small comfort to the families, but at least he is no longer a threat.

We will learn more from the inquiry. I’m interested to know if online misogyny, which seems to recruit some autistic young men, was a factor.

The Assisted Dying Bill has just been brought in, and I think Rudakabana, Sara Sharif’s father and the crossbow killer from Bushey should all be offered a go on it. All have admitted their guilt and there is no point keeping them alive. They are executors of girls and women.

I would hope a genuine psychiatrist would know that it is not possible to diagnose someone over the internet.

There is a difference between having the capacity to know right from wrong, which is what is being said about this young man, and not being mentally unwell. He was clearly very unwell.

If we other this teenager as a monster we risk failing to learn how we can prevent the next teen with the same issues from repeating his actions.

No, it isn't simply whether someone isn't a danger, punishment for the crime is involved (I know you won't like that word). The victims and their families also deserve consideration.

I think you see it entirely from the perspective of what is best for the offender, which I think is an extreme viewpoint generally, and in a case like this, completely inappropriate.

Don’t be so ridiculous

Punishment is absolutely appropriate. Being deprived of liberty by being imprisoned IS the punishment.
Of course victims and their families deserve consideration, at no point have I said otherwise.

It's astonishing that there are apologists for people like this, who commit the most atrocious, despicable crimes- ''ohh they need a chance of rehabilitation, he's a child .. He's a vicious evil man who very likely will always post a threat to children, especially girls.

Various people said they did not feel safe in this man's presence, and these would be people used to dealing with the more volatile in society.

If they felt unsettled, it shows how unpleasant his 'vibe' must be.

Also the Taxi Driver.
While this man skulked and cowered in the back of the Taxi and then ran off, the taxi driver didn't go after him.

Taxi Drivers are usually quite tough if a person tries to evade paying.

Looks like this unpleasant criminal was used to just walking all over adults in his life.

We also cannot assume that they are a 'normal family', simply because one of the kids attends a Russell Group university. Only on here would you hear this!

Wouldn't it be marvellous if everyone lived in the idyllic middle class MN utopia whereby this were true (...and 17 year olds were given weekly pocket money - that one made me chuckle the most).

Instead of testing pharmaceuticals on innocent animals test them on the likes of this specimen. Make him contribute something to society. He won’t mind seeing how he liked messing with poisons and toxins.

I bought a Japanese-made sushi knife from Amazon. Hideous thing with a finger hole in the curved blade for extra precision. I don’t remember the delivery process being any different from the other random crap I buy on there - I certainly was not asked for a passport.

Disgusting.

No the judge was right

His sentencing was a good one. Out of all the horror and misery today I felt pleased to hear an eloquent and concise judgement

I also agree with the pp on their strong response to your post

At no point have I suggested that the judge was wrong. He is an expert in his field and heard far far more evidence about this specific case than I did.

Nothing I have said or done suggests that? I really don't understand this response. I was responding, in the middle of a DEBATE as to how we make sense of all this, to a poster who had referenced a case of parental culpability in juvenile mass murder. A recent and landmark case that had most of the legal system in America watching. Which was a correct statement. Parents had been prosecuted.

In the interest of intelligent, informed debate, which surely this topic needs in a civilised society, I fail to see the problem. Perhaps the parents should be investigated for negligence. Perhaps a lot of negligence should be investigated. We won't get there without debate, discussion, and action.

The problem I have is some immovable viewpoint to defend the indefensible, and the lack of ability to critically rationalise if further culpability should be considered, because the law is continually evolving on a case by case basis. Led by, guess what, the electorate.