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Galatine · 2025-01-23T12:09:54+00:00

According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill. AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

Feelingathomenow · 23/01/2025 17:07

Cattyisbatty · 23/01/2025 17:04

I have always been against the death penalty but in this case I would make an exception,

That is what went through my mind. That judge needed to be able to put a piece of black cloth on his head. Tbh the punishment I think fits this crime was probably last used in the 16th century.

TinklySnail · 23/01/2025 17:07

@Cara707
You have just insulted a shit load of people who are mentally ill.
He's just mentally ill and not evil? No, he’s evil. He’s not been labelled with any physiological dysfunction and the majority of mentally ill don’t want to kill random children at a Taylor Swift dance.

AInightingale · 23/01/2025 17:08

Cattyisbatty · 23/01/2025 17:04

I have always been against the death penalty but in this case I would make an exception,

Agree 100% but I don't think he would ever have received a death sentence even pre 1965 as he was slightly underage when the crimes occurred. Isn't that what happened to Christopher Craig, who was actually guilty of the murder for which Bentley was hanged?

EasternStandard · 23/01/2025 17:08

@prh47bridge I thought the judge did an excellent job and I doubt the murderer will get out, but why wouldn't he do consecutive do you think?

fashionqueen0123 · 23/01/2025 17:09

SerafinasGoose · 23/01/2025 16:48

A good sentence. Given his age at the time of the offence this is better than I was expecting. Reading between the lines of the judge's statement, he's never coming out.

The scenes reported in the news today are horrendous. News broadcasters in tears, an outline of what was contained in the video footage with the poor child trying to escape: just harrowing. Aside from the judge's end comments on tariffs, the headlines springing up everywhere are as much as I need to see. Nothing could persuade me to read the full content.

We have a sick cultural malady of VAWG and somehow it needs to be addressed. I have no idea how, given how deeply entrenched, internalised, and systemic misogyny is. And after a small reprieve I believe it's been getting even worse over the past 15-or-so years.

And this is where that leads. It's only when a horrific, highly-publicised case like this one hits headlines that society or the media seems to care.

I did think, are crimes against girls and women not considered an ideological cause

TealSwan · 23/01/2025 17:10

Totallymessed · 23/01/2025 16:51

Quite. He stabbed a little girl 122 times. But obviously the problem is our lack of empathy for him.

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Omg that's horrific 😭

Portakalkedi · 23/01/2025 17:12

Amazed at the appropriate sentence given the usual feebleness of our justice system. I agree that multiple crimes should have multiple sentences. The US does seem to have a better system than we do in regard to this.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/01/2025 17:12

TaffetaRustle · 23/01/2025 16:54

@DucklingSwimmingInstructress I'm not sure how we can achieve that when we have so many people to try and help?

Apparently 1 in 12 people are illegal immigrants in London we just don't know how many other people we needed to get help for and the volume of people to help just out weighs the people there to help

Literally more money needs to be put into the health / education / prisoner and rehabilitation systems. It's not only money, it's being willing to actually intervene and take action - so many red flags are ignored, as with Axel and Wayne Cousins. But money is a good start to fund enough people and train them -well-.

Illegal immigration is a problem agreed, but that isn't the issue with health services and education etc. Being willing to fund these systems politically, and people being willing to pay for them, is the issue.

CiderandPosies · 23/01/2025 17:12

I used to be very pro the death penalty but now I often think it's better to have 52 years of Hell in prison. Death to someone who doesn't value life is perhaps too easy for them. On the other hand I think it's terrible to waste so much money on keeping someone like him in prison.

SereneCapybara · 23/01/2025 17:13

SquirrelSoShiny · 23/01/2025 12:38

Everything about this case is horrendous, not least the fact that austerity meant that mental health services have been decimated. Imagine if he had actually been treated (and if necessary detained) before he became the man on the news.

The sad truth is this could have been prevented but the swing towards 'care' in the community has gone way too far. Leaving a very mentally ill young man in his bedroom on the internet for years doesn't count as 'care' by any stretch. The law needs to change in so many ways. There are so many young men like this in Britain and they are ticking time bombs.

I totally agree with this. And on the front page of today's news is a story of a little boy walking home from school, killed by an older teen who'd attacked an elderly woman the week before - so another clearly mentally unstable youth who is roaming free to take lives at random. Heartbreaking.

Dozeyduck · 23/01/2025 17:16

Haven't read the full thread so it's probably been said but i REALLY hope the prison guards turn a blind eye to any inmate that wants to have a piece of that vile scum. 52 years and more of living hell is exactly what he deserves

Farmwifefarmlife · 23/01/2025 17:18

His father should be done too he knew exactly what was going on and previously prevented him from entering a school with knives! Appalling those poor families.

SereneCapybara · 23/01/2025 17:18

TinklySnail · 23/01/2025 17:07

@Cara707
You have just insulted a shit load of people who are mentally ill.
He's just mentally ill and not evil? No, he’s evil. He’s not been labelled with any physiological dysfunction and the majority of mentally ill don’t want to kill random children at a Taylor Swift dance.

I want to shout this from rooftops sometimes. Same with the autism or neurodiversity claims. Most mentally ill or neurodiverse people are good, harmless human beings, getting on with life as best they can. There is no excuse for being a brutal, violent, misogynistic, misopedic, racist, homophobic or transphobic thug. There is no excuse for violence.

TiredCatLady · 23/01/2025 17:24

Well done Judge Goose.

I read some of what he subjected those children to. No words.

Also with @Pippinsdiary and @TinklySnail - in a struggle to comprehend this kind of evil, too many people want to point to MH or some kind of diagnosis.
Why didn’t the defence try a plea along those lines? Why wasn’t a report presented? Simple - because they know it’s not that. Its evil. Pure evil.

Hoover2025 · 23/01/2025 17:24

There needs to be an instant custodial 10 year sentence (as out in 5) for anyone carrying a knife. Minors included.

If we had that. This wouldn’t have happened.

And I’m sure plenty of other stabbing wouldn’t happen either.

Totallymessed · 23/01/2025 17:24

Scammersarescum · 23/01/2025 17:05

All the people on this thread saying how terrible this man is yet gloating at the thought of him being beaten up or wishing for him to be murdered by the state need to take a good hard look at themselves.

There's something very very wrong with this man. But he could have been and should have been stopped.

Maybe spend the time writing to your MP about providing better mental health care services. The offender who was legally a child when he committed his shocking crimes and should have been in secure mental care facility and I don't mean for a couple of weeks. He presented a very clear danger and should have already been detained. He needed proper long term care away from society. He committed the crime, but society is also culpable. We all have votes and voices.

It shows just how sick our society is when so many are willing to post vile messages about him, seemingly forgetting that he isn't an animal despite what he has done. I'm not saying he deserves sympathy or compassion and he certainly deserves never to be released but wishing death and physical pain on him is wrong, no matter how angry his crimes make us.

If we behave like a pack of bloodthirsty wolves, we are in effect no better than him.

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Don't be so silly.

TinklySnail · 23/01/2025 17:25

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/01/2025 17:12

Literally more money needs to be put into the health / education / prisoner and rehabilitation systems. It's not only money, it's being willing to actually intervene and take action - so many red flags are ignored, as with Axel and Wayne Cousins. But money is a good start to fund enough people and train them -well-.

Illegal immigration is a problem agreed, but that isn't the issue with health services and education etc. Being willing to fund these systems politically, and people being willing to pay for them, is the issue.

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It is an issue that is impacting on infrastructure, housing, education and health.
I can guarantee the majority of working class people don’t want to pay more taxes and are already struggling with life.
They don’t care about Middle East conflicts, how Trump got reelected or net zero.
Let’s be clear, this case isn’t about immigration. His poor parents have fled a genocide and now have a child killer for a son.
They were right to come here and anyone who says otherwise hasn’t seen the footage.
The issue isn’t asylum seekers per se. It’s the fact that women’s rights are being eroded and yet all we see are boats full of men. Or men in France shoving the women and kids out so they can take their spot.
That is the problem. I personally do not want a bunch of men who feel it’s okay to prioritise themselves over women and children.

OonaStubbs · 23/01/2025 17:27

We should definitely bring back the death sentence, but 52 years is something approaching an appropriate sentence. For once.

TaffetaRustle · 23/01/2025 17:28

It's very much an issue because when we had the global credit crunch that was the exact time that Blair relaxed workers rights and didn't count or stem the tide of people coming in
Small charities and services were hit hard, ss etc all trying to cope with a massive strain on the services provided so of course people will be failed. I'm not sure we'd ever manage to catch up

WillimNot · 23/01/2025 17:29

Scammersarescum · 23/01/2025 17:05

All the people on this thread saying how terrible this man is yet gloating at the thought of him being beaten up or wishing for him to be murdered by the state need to take a good hard look at themselves.

There's something very very wrong with this man. But he could have been and should have been stopped.

Maybe spend the time writing to your MP about providing better mental health care services. The offender who was legally a child when he committed his shocking crimes and should have been in secure mental care facility and I don't mean for a couple of weeks. He presented a very clear danger and should have already been detained. He needed proper long term care away from society. He committed the crime, but society is also culpable. We all have votes and voices.

It shows just how sick our society is when so many are willing to post vile messages about him, seemingly forgetting that he isn't an animal despite what he has done. I'm not saying he deserves sympathy or compassion and he certainly deserves never to be released but wishing death and physical pain on him is wrong, no matter how angry his crimes make us.

If we behave like a pack of bloodthirsty wolves, we are in effect no better than him.

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He brutally murdered three tiny girls, stabbed 8 others and two adults. He had already attempted to knife people at school. He had beaten a pupil with a bat. He had ricin in his room. He was known to every agency.

What part of it being justified to hope he gets some form of justice not put down by a judge so you find out of order?

In fact, YOU'RE as bad as he is for thinking justified anger is so wrong. Take a look at yourself.

lonelywater · 23/01/2025 17:29

think his claims to be ill are shortly to become reality.

TaffetaRustle · 23/01/2025 17:30

@TinklySnail

Our security services save us from many threats every day.

Your point about 1000s of undocumented men coming in must stretch these services very thinly..

Totallymessed · 23/01/2025 17:32

My last post was responding to the suggestion that posters horrified and angry about the hideous crimes this man committed are "in effect no better than him."

It's just trite and....silly. And, ironically, lacking in empathy and emotional maturity.

dynamiccactus · 23/01/2025 17:32

CiderandPosies · 23/01/2025 17:12

I used to be very pro the death penalty but now I often think it's better to have 52 years of Hell in prison. Death to someone who doesn't value life is perhaps too easy for them. On the other hand I think it's terrible to waste so much money on keeping someone like him in prison.

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In a civilised country, you don't have the death penalty.

But I have to say I think this individual is an exception (there are others - the Moors Murderers, Robert Black, Wayne Couzens).

I agree it will cost thousands to keep him in jail, and I also feel sorry for the prison staff who have to deal with him.

Normallynumb · 23/01/2025 17:33

52 years for that evil specimen
A life sentence for the families of those 3 innocent beautiful girls
Broken hearts and minds for the other girls, and the facilitators of the event
I'm glad his apparent High functioning Autism was not given as a mitigating factor. It was a calculated and planned attack
Another one who slipped through the multiple nets
There is no rehabilitation for a monster.