Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

Thats what he would be getting in China.

@HashtagShitShop Blimey that would give me nightmares! 😅

Can anyone explain to me why we don't have consecutive sentences for multiple crimes in this country? I only ever hear of concurrent. In this case, with the 52 years, the entirety is more meaningful but in other cases it seems to diminish the justice - eg 15 years for three deaths.

Also, I'd like to see the justice system add time onto to sentences for criminals who refuse to come into court to be sentenced. Reports say this one initially refused to appear this morning. It shows utter contempt and I don't understand how it can even happen. But if criminals cannot be forced to the stand then they should at least be punished.

Jesus that’s horrific

That’s a good idea. If say they won’t come out or will shout loudly then add more years on.

So you want him to get 52 x 3 plus the attempted murder sentences.

The happiest and best countries are the ones with good social security systems and that includes intervention for troubled families and relatively civilized prison systems, and good health systems.

Brutalized prisoners = brutalized ex-convicts, who generally reintegrate more poorly than rehabilitated prisoners.

A 'softer' society, where breaking the rules is picked up on early and not tolerated, but also help is available and indeed obligated to be accepted, is generally one with less violence.

A better society is actually in everyone's interests, but people have to be willing to look at the evidence and then accept higher taxes. The UK doesn't want to do that, as a society it'd rather have lower taxes and less good services, health and education and intervention. Presumably some people like frothing in outrage rather than actually contributing to prevent it.

shrugs

I heard Sara Sherifs father was attacked a couple of weeks back

Quite. He stabbed a little girl 122 times. But obviously the problem is our lack of empathy for him.

Minimum term 52 years. Not likely to be released.

@DucklingSwimmingInstructress I'm not sure how we can achieve that when we have so many people to try and help?

Apparently 1 in 12 people are illegal immigrants in London we just don't know how many other people we needed to get help for and the volume of people to help just out weighs the people there to help

You are right and I thought about it before posting because lots of mentally ill people do not go on to actually commit any harm to others. But it sounds like he was actively looking to do harm. His dad rushing out to stop a taxi from taking him to a high school the week before means even he knew it was a matter of time. I guess I’m just being emotional because frankly no amount of justice is enough to bring these innocent children back. There are no winners here and the boy/man in question doesn’t even appear to feel anything so it’s not like he would learn any lesson. I pray for peace and comfort of some kind for the families here. Ironically his parent are probably relieved that he’s not roaming wild looking for another victim.

I’m from that area. My extended family live very close to where this killer lived. One of my extended family was there and his DD came out covered in blood, but not hurt and her friend had been stabbed, and luckily survived.

From the very start this has been covered up and it still is. My relatives said straight off the bat that the town knew he’d been visited by the police, expelled and also that he apparently shouted things at the scene which led them to believe it was terror rated.

If Starmer and the police hadn’t covered it up, there may have been no violence. That said, if I knew then what we know now, I would have been on the street protesting too. The authorities are saying it’s not terror related. So, you target young girls, have an Al Queda manual, made rancin, but it’s not terror related. If it walks like a duck………He’s a self radicalised man.

His dad should also be prosecuted for not alerting the authorities the week before when he attempted to go to his old school. I’d also like to see Starmer be held accountable for the cover up.

I really hope he’s going to a jail in Liverpool. They’ll be waiting for him.

Yes I think that’s what everyone would prefer - why would anyone want something different, makes sure he never gets out and psychologically those numbers as it takes away any glimmer of hope of even a days freedom for this evil bastard.

I'm not one to wish violence on others but thank fuck that judge walloped him with as harsh a sentence as he did and maybe that monster will find prison hell and then maybe rot in hell.
Evil, evil monster.
My heart goes out to those poor little girls and their poor families 😔

I should think there’s many prisoners waiting in every jail in the land hoping he goes there.

Why do you think that? He's not your average medium level offender whose mental health problems will probably get ignored. He will have been examined by psychiatrists many, many times while in custody, including by psychiatrists chosen by his defence team. The defence have not put forward any claim of mental illness, so clearly many psychiatrists do not think he is mentally ill.

I think murder warrants a life sentence so three murders should mean three life sentences, one after the other. Not three for the time of one.

Concurrent sentences are insulting when sentencing is lenient.

We do. It is up to the judge to decide whether to impose consecutive or concurrent sentences. You can see the guidelines judges follow at Totality – Sentencing

Thank you - this is interesting. I know the judge here has specifically commented on but I cannot recall the last time I read about sentencing and it said consecutive rather than concurrent terms.

I have always been against the death penalty but in this case I would make an exception,

Minimum of 52 years...
But possibly will never be released.

Thank you for pointing this out. As someone who suffers from mental health problems it’s so insulting when everytime someone does something evil people assume it’s mental health related.

All the people on this thread saying how terrible this man is yet gloating at the thought of him being beaten up or wishing for him to be murdered by the state need to take a good hard look at themselves.

There's something very very wrong with this man. But he could have been and should have been stopped.

Maybe spend the time writing to your MP about providing better mental health care services. The offender who was legally a child when he committed his shocking crimes and should have been in secure mental care facility and I don't mean for a couple of weeks. He presented a very clear danger and should have already been detained. He needed proper long term care away from society. He committed the crime, but society is also culpable. We all have votes and voices.

It shows just how sick our society is when so many are willing to post vile messages about him, seemingly forgetting that he isn't an animal despite what he has done. I'm not saying he deserves sympathy or compassion and he certainly deserves never to be released but wishing death and physical pain on him is wrong, no matter how angry his crimes make us.

If we behave like a pack of bloodthirsty wolves, we are in effect no better than him.

Yes, I think he was. I'm sure there's been lots of high-profile prisoners who have been attacked - Ian Huntley, Maxine Carr, Ian Watkins. If these people are supposed to be 'kept safe' away from other prisoners, then I can only assume the guards are engineering this and then turning a blind eye.