Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

Yes he has been charged for all those things though. They only found those items post the incident.

I think it’s perfectly legal in the UK to have a machete (we had one in our house growing up) so it does not seem there was anything they were aware prior to the attacks that could have been used to hold up or imprison him.

I know he did attack somebody with a bat at school and was sent home from school for having a knife but I don’t know what the process would be - I doubt a minor would face significant jail time for either of those (or even if a police complaint was made.)

Tey do things differently state side ...
www.unilad.com/news/judge-tapes-mans-mouth-shut-court-447444-20230612

Failure to report somebody else’s violent intent not a crime. Failure to report an actual crime witnesses is not a crime.

It’s why witnesses to a crime aren’t punished for not reporting what they have seen.

It’s bot about what the government wants. It’s what they can prove and there is no evidence to date of any ideology.

They should remove “the family”. The brother is also family. If the parents concealed evidence of a crime they should be punished for that but there is no evidence that occurred.

Listening to the victim statements I share the emotion with the reporter who has broken down

I've discussed this with my patients, the ones who have spent time in both. They say that prison is preferable due to knowing where you stand ie your liberation date, which is the most important thing to them, getting out, however for the day to day routine, secure hospital is much better.

In my medium secure hospital, our patients have tvs/radios/computers etc in their rooms. Daily sessions on offer at the gym/football, cooking groups, gardening groups etc. A communal lounge with a TV, books and areas to socialise. They have a therapy kitchen and can order from the supermarket and can cook for themselves, as well as order takeaways at designated times. It's all about rehabilitation; to us, they aren't prisoners, they are patients.

Personally, I'd take secure hospital every day, but yes, the major downside is that you can be held indefinitely as opposed to having a lib date.

The parents concealed the fact that he wanted to it previously and they managed to stop him.. they are culpable.

But undoubtedly it would, particularly bearing in mind that when capital punishment for minors was abolished it meant perpetrators under the age of 21 were exempt.

No doubt he will magically turn into a 'woman' too before sentencing. That photo of him is absolutely spinechilling. How awful to think that he will NOT be spending the whole of his life in prison. Yet again our crappy justice system shows how unfit it is.

But the law is quite strict. Even if we had had capital punishment he would not qualify even if 17 years and 350 days years old is not materially different to 18 years old

The lack of empathy for a child who is obviously mentally disturbed is awful but alot of you were in threads feeling sorry for that baby killer Lucy Letby. Interesting.

I think he should get the same sentence as the guys that murdered James Bulger. With intense therapy.

It's a sad case but murders happen all the time, my focus is on all families who have lost their children

Here here.

Could not agree more.

They should be standing next to him in the dock.

Hes not Muslim.

I cannot understand this reaction. Have you listened to any victims' statements?

There's a well-established principle that hard cases make bad law. If you are going to say that the rule doesn't apply for someone 13 days away from their 18th birthday, where will you draw the line? A month? A year? If you accept that the line needs to exist, then it has to be respected; the possibility of this sort of crime being committed by someone just under 18 has to be taken into account by legislators in setting the relevant law, so we have to assume that a decision was taken by an elected Parliament that someone in that position could not be subject to a whole life sentence.

@Changer123 what bollocks are you spouting about Muslims?

But they have no committed any crime. I would also argue culpable as it also depends what they genuiny felt to be true.

Also what did they conceal - it says that he threatened to go to school and commit a mass killing and they stopped him. That does not equate concealing anything. I know there is understandable anger but we cannot punish people for things that are not crimes.

They had a legal expert on LBC this morning who said despite his age they may be able to keep him in for so long before he’s even eligible for parole that it may effectively be the same

He had the Jihadi terrorist book though, so could be on the turn.

What does that have to do with him? He’s not muslim. And your comments about UK prisons having a “high proportion of muslims” does not sound based in fact.

Lack of empathy for basically a man who murdered children? What is wrong with you? A lot of people have mental health conditions, they don’t go around stabbing young girls. Unbelievable.

We see the islamophobe on the thread

What is the relevance of Muslim prisoners? Rudukubana is not Muslim, in fact the evidence is that he took an interest in websites and materials mocking religions including Islam.

As for leaving it to the fathers, how does that work if one wants to leave it to the justice system, and one wants to kill him? Will it fulfil your bloodlust if they all decide to walk away?