To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

[User09678]

Trump has been going hell for leather since his inauguration it seems, things are changing fast - Trump likes the UK, but he doesn't like Starmer. Starmer seems out of sync with the changing tide, and seems (to me) to get it wrong and make it worse everytime he opens his mouth. AIBU in wondering how long Starmer can hang on?

Starmer doesn't need to call another election until 2029.

The next US GE will be in 2028.
People seem to have incredibly short memories of how constant and unrelenting of a complete dumpster fire the last Trump administration was. This one has already surpassed it for early controversies.

Trump is 78. Starmer is 62. I know who I'd place me bets on outlasting who.

Nope, you're not doing that today.

Here's a video of him actually touching his heart and throwing it out to the crowd.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdAHsFuQ/

Sounds like that's what you want. Be careful what you wish for. This is our democracy. We should protect it.

Also for all the talk about the popularity of politicians like Trump - the man has run for election three times and has never managed to convince a majority of the electorate to vote for him.

US elections always seem to be won/lost on very fine margins. I don't think I can remember a convincing majority win over the past few decades.

It doesn't look like a democracy from where I'm standing

I was being a bit OTT but was referring to the end of the world, not to capitalism.

Genuinely interested - why not?

The current Government has been voted in in exactly the same way as the previous ones were. No government pleases everyone - but in our democracy it's the party with the highest number of seats that forms a government for a defined period of time. There will be a formal opportunity to have your vote heard at the next election.
And I say this as a Labour supporter who has recorded my vote in an absolutely solid Tory seat for the last 25 years

@User09678 - why on earth would he step back after 6 months? And even if he did Labour would replace him, it's what the Tories did.

@User09678 - what doesn't feel like a democracy?

Most of them have won more than 50%.

Trump has never attained 50% of the popular vote.

Well yes - it may appear that way to those who are bots or not very bright.

You can’t go against everything you stand for - every principle of democracy and humanity - just because of a “vibe shift”

All recent elections in the US were won/lost within 4% of the 50%, so it's always very fine margins, and like I say, never a "convincing" win.

Bill Clinton got 43%/49%
George Bush got 48%/51%
Barrack Obama 53%/51%
Joe Biden 51%
Trump in 2024 50%

All very marginal!

But a majority. Which was my comment. People are panicking as to what this says about the US electorate but Trump has never obtained a majority.

He has never convinced at least 50% of the electorate to vote him. Even when he won.

This is what I said and nothing you have posted contradicts that:

Also for all the talk about the popularity of politicians like Trump - the man has run for election three times and has never managed to convince a majority of the electorate to vote for him.

@User09678

OP, what doesn't look like a democracy

There is no opportunity to have my vote heard. I have the offer of voting for option A or B. Even if they did offer something different from each other (they don't) I still don't want either of them.

I think people are embarrassed. She's wildly unpopular and constantly humiliated in PMQ.

I started a couple of threads and was informed that we shouldn't be discussing the opposition.

Where are you standing?
Are you in the UK?
What elements of democracy do you feel are missing from the way things are in the UK?

I disagree because I think that Labour has offered something different to the previous Conservative government. If they were the same why would some people here be so outraged by what they perceive Labour has done since being in power?
No party gives me everything I'd like. There isn't a grumpyoldpersonwithcats party just for me because it wouldn't suit anybody else. However I look at the offerings and align my vote to the party which is closest.

If you really don't think any existing party represents your interests you are free to start a party of your own. Farage has done it with some success. This is democracy in action.

Then you can't be in the UK. I had the option of at least 8 candidates on my ballot paper, and I would guess that Scotland, Wales and Ireland had more.

I think people are embarrassed. She's wildly unpopular and constantly humiliated in PMQ.

This sums up Starmer at PMQ

If he wasn't doing so badly he wouldn't have led the party to poll third

It seems the media like to call labour left of centre but tories and reform as right wing. Even if Reform are right wing, I think that's a step away from far right. I think they speak to a certain type of person who feels left behind, they could easily get a chunk of the brexit coallition back together. Which isn't far right much as some people like to paint it.

Another day, another voting intention poll, this time:

Reform 26%
Conservatives 23%
Labour 22%

Voting intention: 22nd Jan 2025 - Find Out Now search.app/Z2cXtgrac6nBeeJo9

Maybe they polled the 3000 Sainsbury's workers who have just lost their jobs!
Every poll I see seems to show a further decline for Labour.