To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

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Trump has been going hell for leather since his inauguration it seems, things are changing fast - Trump likes the UK, but he doesn't like Starmer. Starmer seems out of sync with the changing tide, and seems (to me) to get it wrong and make it worse everytime he opens his mouth. AIBU in wondering how long Starmer can hang on?

Have you watched the video of Musk giving a so called Nazi salute or just seen a still from it? Because if you watched the video it shows him touching his heart, then lifting his arm in a gesture to send his love. Not a Nazi salute at all.

The same applies to those posters who close down discussion by accusing posters of being staunch labour fans for saying someting positive

It goes both ways

The vibe in the US is not replicated here! Depends who you ask. I'm sure you didn't ask everyone in the UK

Bull shit. Where do you think that gesture comes from. Anyone who plays that down is detached from reality. That gesture was political fervour at its worst and Musk meant it. He has embraced a political ideology and is helping to shape it. That gesture shows intent.

Here is Hitler touching his heart

https://bsky.app/profile/winterwoods.se/post/3lgbahr7ggs2y

Sorry I missed this without the full quote.
I agree with much of what you've said here, and do respect Labour supporters, I'm married to one! It may surprise you to know that you have voted Tory more recently than I have 😂.
What I have an issue with is the group of posters on here who absolutely do engage in coordinated attacks. I have experienced this myself. I think it's wrong that they share links to other threads for the purpose of either a rallying call, or group ridicule.

I kmow op, the thing is trump has signed all this stuff but we don't know exactly what can change so fast.

On the other hand starmer promises change and then attacked pensioners who are a vulnerable yrouk6, handed tons of money to unions and then promised billions to net zero.

It beggers belief and look at trumps optimism and go.

We had starmer and Lord Ali debacle.
Loads of pessimism.

Trump is hugely pessimistic about the Democrats and it's boring but he's also massively optimistic about what he can do.

Let's see... But I wish we had someone in charge who actually seemed to like our country and was optimistic.

Can see PM Farage at the next election, I think we only went left with the rest of the world going right as people were sick of the Tories, not sure anyone was particularly excited by Starmer. He's a manager not a leader, but I suspect he will hold on for the parliament and find it hard to work with Trump.

You think reform will go from 5 seats to 400+ in 4 years, whilst losing their local candidates?

I disagree. Britain is not likely to move that far to the right. Especially when people start to examine their policies and budgets.

Exactly this. Many people voted Labour as they were the 'least worse' opinion. The more significant result was how many people voted Reform, whose membership is growing daily. Dismiss them at your peril.

I can see them being larger than the Tories and a coalition. I can also see them spitting the right between them and both doing badly. Many possibilities.

The current British government has several years left. Labour was chosen by the people, who don't get to choose again until the next election.

Shit-stirring by Trump or Musk won't change that.

It’s a bad thing when it’s the same group of posters actively trying to shut down discussion. So much so, their usernames are now synonymous with closing down anything remotely critical of Labour. There are a handful of posters trying desperately to turn AIBU into an echo chamber.

I dont recognise this at all.

I doe see some posters from all parties relentlessly defending their party though. But not many posters.

There is a core group who congregate in a certain thread to laugh and sneer and encourage others to join in. Just ignore them. Sit down with a cup of tea and click through their thread. Comedy gold.

That's not so difficult to imagine these days.

I have never in my lifetime seen anything like Trump's pardoning the men who attacked US police. Biden's actions in this regard are just as bad imo.

Dream on.

One of the things that makes me proud to be a Brit is that we have historically always fought off the far right. It feels as though the tradition of political decency disappeared along with the advent of Boris Johnson (history will reveal just how dangerous and destructive he actually was) but I believe that it may take a while but Britain always sees off the wrong uns.

It's so strange that things have changed so much and we have become so seduced by the demagogues that Starmer comes across so badly

I fantasise that there exists such a thing as Karma, by the way, and I live for the day when it kicks populist hatemongerers like Farage, Musk and Trump up the you-know-what.

What do the pardons have to do with capitalism?

More in Common voting intentions out today/ yesterday have Conservatives and Reform neck and neck at 25% and Labour in third at 24%.

Tracking public opinion https://search.app/SQ3zS586K4rVjqmc6

I know polls don't really matter at this point in the electoral cycle, but blimey that's quite a shift!

Blimey. And posters go on about not all posts being pro Labour. This is why, a public site reflects opinion

It probably would do more if some didn’t try to drive views they don’t like off

It is. And the 70% of the electorate who think that things are getting worse doesn't bode well for labour before the scale of the intended welfare cuts are known. The system is in a huge amount of flux and there's really no way to know how it will pan out yet but the trajectory of Labour's support, of lack thereof, seems decidedly stubborn.

I thought Starmer looked quite rattled at PMQ's yesterday by both the cons and the lib dem questions.

The Labour government will survive the full 5 year term, but Starmer won't. Labour will oust him around 2027/28 to bring in a new leader who is more likely to win the 2029 GE as Starmer is too unpopular to take Labour to a 2029 GE win. Yes, I know there's time, but he's highly unlikely to be able to perform miracles to become more popular himself. I'd put money on Raynor mounting a leadership challenge in a couple of years or so, once Starmer has done all the dirty work (i.e. unpopular policies) and she can brand herself as the optimistic future leader. But I don't think Raynor would win the 2029 GE as leader either. I think Labour are a "one-term wonder"

I agree, but the UK "didn't go left" - the Labour vote was pretty much the same as under Corbyn. It was the Tory vote that splintered with enough votes going to Reform which caused them to lose so many seats. Unless the Tories can attract those voters back, then Reform will continue to grow and could well get enough seats to be decisive in a coalition.