To feel everyone is anti trans?

[Kitjo]

I'm well aware of current US views led by Trump - but are these views generally held/supported in the UK? Of course I understand opinions on NHS gender reassignment funding, as well as controversies over trans women in sport. Needless to say I'm fully aware of concerns over women's safety issues. Are there any sympathisers or supporters out there? What about trans masculine folk who are surely no threat to women's safety or sport? None of these people would choose such a hard life, socially, financially, physically, mentally, emotionally... am I alone in thinking a bit of kindness and compassion towards the trans community might be appreciated for the massive personal struggles they have to face? I am open minded to hearing and understanding your views.

It's hilarious how many people posting on mumsnet are surprised to find it is mostly mums.

I am pro anything as long as it doesn’t affect other people. I’m pro trans people but against them in public bathrooms / sports competitions etc.

Public bathrooms: it’s not about the trans people it’s for women who have been sexual abused and don’t feel comfortable around men. Trans people shouldn’t have to use to sex assigned at birth toilet, there should be a mixed or alternate opinion so everyone is comfortable.

Sports: biologically men are strong than women that’s why they don’t compete after the age of 11 together. It’s unfair to have a trans women up against women in sport as they have a biological advantage.

I don’t feel this makes me anti trans more trying to find a happy logically medium for everyone?

Because someone being where they shouldn't be IS invasion. 😒

So by your logic Putin could have just decided to useUkraines mineral wealth rather than go to the effort and expense of invading and the Ukrainian population would have been fine with it, welcomed him in and possibly lent him their lipstick! People invade when they want to stake a permanent claim on something that isn’t theirs.

There is no better example of mansplaining in the world than a man , dressed in some version of a woman- costume, explaining to actual women why they should see him as just the same as them .

Your post needs clarity.
When you say anti-female transgender do you mean biological women or men, because, to me at least, female refers to women.
Is Brian Michael Smith in this scenario a transman, i.e. biologically female? I, personally, would take no issue with a female person using women's toilets.
Transmen, i.e. women, are not absent from the debate, at least not that I've seen on MN. It's the case that women make up the vast majority of people on MN, so we're going to discuss the impact on women.
The threat to women in prison comes from biological males. The threat to women in sport, whether that's unfair competition or serious injury, comes from biological males. Women here are less likely to discuss the threat of Brian Michael Smith using the next cubicle.

I've frequently seen discussed the potential effects of hormone treatment for girls, double mastectomy, how autistic girls are disproportionately impacted by gender ideology and identifying as transgender. A huge part of the debate is centred around how these children, boys too of course, should be supported in a way that does not involve irreversible medical treatment, and how people have been sold a lie that treatments are not irreversible, and that they will 'cure' someone of their dysphoria and dismorphia.
Many women here are mothers who are naturally going to discuss their concerns for children.

I do not consent to being part of a man’s sexual fetish. I do not agree to be used by a man who gets aroused by the thought of himself as his male fantasy version a woman. I do not agree to my young daughters being used in that way too. Why should I support a man getting off sexually by calling him ‘she’?

It's a gender body dysmorpia mental health issue that isn't being treated anymore but the delusions are now being confirmed to the detriment of women.

I grew up in the 80s with was all sorts of gender bending. Wear makeup, nail polish, wear a dress and call yourself Susan, but you are still a man in a dress.

They would not understand how it is to be female, only that they are uncomfortable in their body or have some sexual fetish or are looking to be weaker or softer or any other stupid perceived female attribute. Transmen, the same. Feeling like they are a man doesn't make them a man. If wearing mens clothes and calling yourself Trevor makes you happy, crack on but you are still female.

It's not 'people' it's men. Women's toilets are not for men and when they use them without the consent of women then invading is the correct word.

Because it feels like an invasion. Someone is told no and then continues on anyway until they get their way. A certain section of the trans community are aggressive about their rights and use rather aggressive language themselves. So for me invade feels like the appropriate word.

This. As soon as women argue back then their semantics are put under a magnifying glass and they are accused of hate

This sums it up nicely.

Maybe because it is usually men, male bodied and conditioned by male socialisation to expect their way, physically bigger and stronger than women, pushing this cause so it feels like an invasion.

Women’s spaces, women’s spaces…

I’m guessing as a disabled person this poster might find it more difficult to change at swimming or more difficult to use the toilet and as such would find it even more stressful to have men in her private (what should be single sex) spaces.

Although I think you knew that really.

I have no issue with trans people.

I have an issue with "different" young teens who have no friends who follow the gang either in real life or online who think they are trans. Mainly autistics like myself. People who don't fit in. Then once they are 19-20 realise they aren't trans and they just followed the crowd.

No personal experience and I have 2 young teens but I know of trans people their school.

So many posters on here say their kids said they were trans as teens and now they aren't.

It makes a mockery of real trans people.

I try to ignnore the anti-trans lot on Mumnset (easy as they have their own section) but this thread made we wander back over there. Surprise, surprise, the 'feminist' section on Mumsnet is now ripping into the courageous Bishop who dared to preach a sermon to Trump on love and inclusivity. Anti-trans on Mumnset is hateful rhetoric, not matter how it tries to disguise itself as 'pro-woman'. I am a woman and I am far more fearful of the far right than of trans people. I know where power sits, and it is not in the hands of trans women.

Fascist politicians are coming for trans people and Muslims now, but they'll be coming for women and gay people next.

If you think politicians aren't already coming for women, like they have been for some time, I have a bridge to sell you. It isn't just the "fascist" right wing either. The left are too by changing laws to eradicate the concept of what a woman is, in favour of "feelings" of gender.

I don't believe humans are born "the wrong sex" or can change sex, I believe gender is a social construct and I think that anyone born male should not be in women's spaces. These should not be unreasonable views.

Mumsnet is a site for women with presumably a majority of mothers? Most parents are fiercely protective of their children and as the extreme levels of the experimental drugs and surgery being used on children has emerged, we've all been horrified.
Trans ideology has been forced onto society using the mantra #NODEBATE. This was the tool used to silence parents from objecting to adults teaching children their bodies were flawed but a sex change would cure them. Women were bullied into silence while crimes like indecent exposure and voyeurism were virtually "decriminalised" in order to allow any man who fancied claiming he was a woman to expose himself (and in some cases worse) in a woman's changing room, hospital ward, dormitory, prison etc.
Women's sport was handed over to men who had failed in their own sex class but were allowed to access women's places, funding and medals for their won benefit. The word women has been routinely removed from healthcare, including materniry with it suddenly being transphobic. All of this documented in countless Mumsnet threads

No women anywhere in the world campaigned to have men sharing showers, changing rooms or women's sport. This is a totally male led ideology withan immense number of casualties - especially children.

Finally there's a global fight back.

For me I'm absolutely on board with all of this, personally. I think trans people should have the same rights against abuse and discrimination as the rest of us. But I think women's spaces need to be kept.

I think the majority of trans people are fine with this, it's just a small but very powerful and vocal minority who are happy to trample all over women's rights.

Trans people have always existed alongside us and most got on with their lives whilst respecting our rights too.The whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Wanting to present as the opposite sex was not seen as an identity demanding pronouns but just something a few people were into.

Fundamentally it comes down to most people think its right trans women are labelled as such and can never be considered women alongside genetic, female born women. This is a view shared by a wide poltiical spectrum from feminist writers to MAGA far right nazi saluting wack jobs.

This is a view I agree with, but I'd fight for any trans woman to be treated fairly and free from discrimination, but women born female should be respected if they want only born female spaces, I believe this is right for any group, even male only private members drinking clubs have a right to exist (and many still do here in London).

Being anti trans and supporting sex based rights for women is not the same thing.

Unfortunately women aren’t allowed to voice their wishes for sex based rights to safe spaces, female only rape and sexual abuse support groups, private places for changing, toilets, having a female by birth medical professional for intimate examinations and procedures, or for competing in sports. If they do they are labelled as TERFS. That’s what people are pissed off with.

A man can wear a dress put makeup on fall around in high heels, but he’s still a man. End of discussion as far as I’m concerned

I really don’t agree with this in any way.
A minority of people may support and love trans people - the majority are indifferent until they become aware of the issues through cases like Isla Bryson, Karen White, Lia Thomas and so on. Then views change.

I urge anyone who thinks trans ideology is harmless to do their research. The effects on the younger generation are horrifying, particularly amongst autistic and ND children.

So called puberty blockers are NOT reversible. Social transition is NOT harmless. Chopping the healthy, not even fully developed breasts off of a young girl is absolutely barbaric.

And as for the "would you rather have a dead son or a living daughter" argument, there is absolutely NO evidence of a reduction in suicicality post- transition. And if you look closely at studies that say otherwise, they have not been even remotely reliably carried out.