To feel everyone is anti trans?

[Kitjo]

I'm well aware of current US views led by Trump - but are these views generally held/supported in the UK? Of course I understand opinions on NHS gender reassignment funding, as well as controversies over trans women in sport. Needless to say I'm fully aware of concerns over women's safety issues. Are there any sympathisers or supporters out there? What about trans masculine folk who are surely no threat to women's safety or sport? None of these people would choose such a hard life, socially, financially, physically, mentally, emotionally... am I alone in thinking a bit of kindness and compassion towards the trans community might be appreciated for the massive personal struggles they have to face? I am open minded to hearing and understanding your views.

Assuming the trans person isn't disabled, then they need to stay out of a disabled space to leave it free for disabled people that need it. Of course if they're disabled then they should be able to use it just like any other disabled person.

Well yes, why on earth would a non-disabled person be accessing a disabled space? What an odd straw man to set up.

so counter with good, reliable stats of your own then? from a neutral group?

So you're a victim-blamer. Because it doesn't happen to you, people who point out it does happen to others means they are a 'weirdo'? Is that really the extent of your argument? Deny other people's existence and reality?

refusing to prioritise one group of people in every situation above any other group of people is not the same as being anti that group or hating them or wishing they didn't exist or any of the other bollocks that gets spouted when the feelings, wants and needs of trans people is not automatically given priority over all others.
There are situations when what trans people want is not actually the most important consideration, believe it or not.

Well i was called a transphobic bigot! She or he or they or whatever it identifies as does not need to go round calling someone a bigot for their opinions! My first comment wasnt even hate! Its an opinion!

i can give an example of why i dont like it, and that doesnt mean i cant still be respectful to people who identify as trans. I would.

But, what i find insulting is the whole chestfeeding, giving birth ideology, female safespaces.
Also i believe trans criminals should be treated as their biological sex when put into prisons, and finally i disagree with what is being pushed on to young children who might be at a point they may feel confused about their gender/sexuality.

I do not hate trans people at all, i just do not agree with some of the things i see up for debate.

This is just plain wrong and ignores scientific fact. Made up definitions by you are not an acceptable substitute.

Same reason a non-woman would be accessing space for women maybe?

Actually, lots of transpeople do use disabled loos when they aren't disabled, but you know that.

I mean this is just lovely, isn't it? Rather than call out bad actor trans identifying males you call the women highlighting issues names.

Honestly you're doing your trans friends no favours by showing your true misogynistic colours.

Biological sex is a multidimensional construct/ process of development.
You have a simplistic / anti-scientific understanding of biological sex which blinds you to the empirical realities of human diversity and fuels your ignorance and fear of trans people and others.

This is nonsense, but even if it wasn't, so what?

Ethnicity is a multi-dimensional spectrum - WAY more so than sex could ever be - and a social construct. Age is a process of ongoing change, and a spectrum. Disability is a spectrum.

None of that means you have a right to announce you have an age, ethnicity or disability you do not have and require everyone else to agree. Even if you convince yourself biological sex is "complicated", I'm female and that means I'm not a man.

Non-disabled trans people often use disabled spaces. They are also told by others to, "Just use disabled toilets" if they don't want to use the toilet for their sex assigned at birth.

Ah, I see. Trans people shouldn't wee. That's a new one.

They can wee in the toilets for their sex. You know that.

Well exactly. That is my point

people say they don’t see the bathrooms as being unsafe spaces, but what they mean is usually they can’t see any safety impact of trans women being in the women’s loos. I just was pointing out that if bathrooms/toilets weren’t unsafe spaces than there isn’t a problem is trans women use the mens.

I don't want to share changing rooms, toilets, prisons and elite or contact sports with women that were born male. Sorry.

Like all things, this is only even a discussion/talking point because it affects primarily men (who think they are women).

They just always have to be centre stage no matter how they present. Ironic really.

The sports one particularly bothers me. It's taken to 2024 to get female representation in all sports at the Olympics, well over 100 years. The idea of a young woman giving up their dream because they have been "bested" by a natal-male boils my piss (looking at you NZ weightlifter!). Anyone who even thinks about doing similar should be ashamed.

Women who present as men or NB have campaigned for some language change around traditional female issues and I think that's it. I know some people were up in arms about that but it really doesn't matter at all in the grand scheme of things. We don't hear about them raping, killing, demanding to be included anywhere. Surprising? Not.

Lol! I think I can muster more intelligence than JK Rowling 😂

However the suicide rate in post transitioned men is much higher

Yes that is very true, I knew that, and often link to the studies. I simply meant trans as a group as a whole. And the vast overwhelming majority (92% I believe has been mentioned) of trans identified men don't surgically transition.

Yes, I think we're in agreement. The thread's so fast moving I probably misread!

I've got news for you. People can't change sex.

Turns out they can, you're behind the times. You should read a book!

Several posters upthread have said they think the issue of the trans community are niche as the numbers are small. The impact on the wider community are disproportionately large. My smallish market town had a new and much needed leisure centre built 3-4 years ago. When I went for the first time I was horrified to find that the changing facilities are mixed sex. They are labelled 'Village Style' but in reality anyone can wander into any area. A lot of people, mainly women will self-exclude from the facility and I would consider this arrangement to be totally unsuitable for unaccompanied teenagers. The nearest alternative is nearly 20 miles away.

Okay, you are not a serious person.

That poster was using sarcasm. They are on your side.

You can't change sex. You need to read a lot of books if you don't understand that.

This is embarrassing 😳

Surely to change sex a man would have to have a sex change? But most of them keep their penis.

Not in the disabled toilet, if they're non-disabled, no. They can use the toilet assigned to their biological sex, or they can run along and campaign for their own toilets.