To feel everyone is anti trans?

[Kitjo]

I'm well aware of current US views led by Trump - but are these views generally held/supported in the UK? Of course I understand opinions on NHS gender reassignment funding, as well as controversies over trans women in sport. Needless to say I'm fully aware of concerns over women's safety issues. Are there any sympathisers or supporters out there? What about trans masculine folk who are surely no threat to women's safety or sport? None of these people would choose such a hard life, socially, financially, physically, mentally, emotionally... am I alone in thinking a bit of kindness and compassion towards the trans community might be appreciated for the massive personal struggles they have to face? I am open minded to hearing and understanding your views.

Call yourself what you want. Be who you want to be. In my opinion there are two genders.

Biological sex is indeed binary. There is not one single Biologist who will deny this.

Sex is immutable and binary Tandora. Even those with DSD’s are one or the other.

That’s before we even get into the males being the more problematic sex class that you can’t grasp either.

It’s like debating with a hand puppet.

if you mean sex, rather than gender, it's not even an opinion, it's a fact.

I’ve issued an employment tribunal complaint against my employer in England for allowing transwomen use female single-sex facilities (open plan showers!) and women are told to go elsewhere if they don’t feel like sharing. Nothing transphobic about not agreeing with this policy. More information and crowdjustice can be found by searching for Faye Russell-Caldicott.

Biological sex is a multidimensional construct/ process of development.
You have a simplistic / anti-scientific understanding of biological sex which blinds you to the empirical realities of human diversity and fuels your ignorance and fear of trans people and others.

NO IT ISN'T.

Do you ever consider replying in a manner that adds value to the discourse, or is it always going to be the equivalent of a teenager slamming a door in your face mid argument?

I'd also like to ask those calling people "anti-trans" on this thread, if they actually care about evidence, statistics or facts at all? Many gender ideologists raly seem to think that shouting "trans women are women and you hate trans people if you don't agree!" is enough to somehow put them in the right. But there is no evidence for this at all. It's like shouting "A dog is a cat if I say so and if you don't agree you hate dog-cats!" It's not a fact, it's just words. Do you understand that some people see things differently and actually care that male people in reality pose a proven, statistical level of danger to female people and that announcing you're trans does not change this, therefore they don't think male people should have access to female spaces - for an actual reason?

Oh calling me a Meninist and comparing me to the kkk.
I am enjoying your well reasoned , thoughtful arguments on this thread.

Is that what you all like to call “handing me my arse”?

Still don't want a subset of men in single sex spaces for women Tandora.

No amount of flowery language will change that.

It isn’t. I don’t.

The end.

Good luck

Including, sadly, far too many women.

I was only thinking the other day about the unprecedented surge in male born Afghanis realising they had been born in the wrong body and needing to become their true authentic selves. I do hope someone, Stonewall perhaps, is fundraising for more GID clinics in Kabul. Am sure the Taliban have sorting this out very high on their political agenda.

To be fair you’re handing your own arse to you.

Is that you Sally? 🤔

Well you can shout your denial at me in capital letters but it won’t change the realities of the complexities of sex development or the existence of trans people.

Have you watched any of the videos of TRA activists beating up elderly lesbians, do you know what the cotton ceiling is, have you been told to “enjoy your erasure”, encountered the idea of a “lady dick”, seen photos of Lia Thompson on a podium or read about autogynephilia?

Lol, absolutely not. I just have normal trans friends. You're such a weirdo!

I don't consider myself anti-trans, but I'm well aware that by disagreeing that being a Trans Man or Transwoman literally makes you a man or woman, would mean I'm considered anti-trans by many. There's nothing I can do about that, I've read every argument about why they are, and none has been convincing or able to represent the reality of the human condition in a way that has the accuracy of biological sex. In many ways, they seem 'reverse engineered' to support an opinion, rather than being measurable, objective, facts driving opinion.
Do I want them to cease to exist, no, do I want them to be forced to dress, act and name themselves in a certain way based on being biologically male or female, no.
But again they're not a woman or a man, and that means certain aspects of a man's or woman's world is off-limits, whether that's safe spaces or sport, and that's, frankly, not about trans people, it's about, by and large respecting women

Listen, I think most Mumsnet readers have a modicum more intelligence than you are displaying right now, and see right through you.

Stop lying about what I am saying.

I have given you the evidence showing a far strong association for the top performing countries doing well for women and those that have policies of self ID , in comparison to those that are economically most successful (much weaker association for the well being of women and parity with men)

I'm sorry you are unable to read, can't walk you through this in baby steps any further.

Anyone who doesn't eat noodles and rice is literally damaging the economy, and belongs to a hate group.

Exactly!

The Cass Review. Though I suspect you won’t consider anything that isn’t by the trans lobby. However Idylicday is wrong - suicide rate in children/teens who identify as trans is no higher than for other children with the same comorbidities (cf Cass). However the suicide rate in post transitioned men is much higher - which is unsurprising as transitioning just affirms their delusion rather than treating their actual mental illhealth.

Suicidal ideation is not the same as suicide and must not be conflated.