To feel everyone is anti trans?

[Kitjo]

I'm well aware of current US views led by Trump - but are these views generally held/supported in the UK? Of course I understand opinions on NHS gender reassignment funding, as well as controversies over trans women in sport. Needless to say I'm fully aware of concerns over women's safety issues. Are there any sympathisers or supporters out there? What about trans masculine folk who are surely no threat to women's safety or sport? None of these people would choose such a hard life, socially, financially, physically, mentally, emotionally... am I alone in thinking a bit of kindness and compassion towards the trans community might be appreciated for the massive personal struggles they have to face? I am open minded to hearing and understanding your views.

Being male does though. Regardless of how they identify. Trans women are male.

Up until they started demanding to police my speech, access women and girls safe spaces, give unsafe drugs to children, force the unwanted label of Cis on me and bleating about terfs every time someone pointed out that they aren't men/women, I had plenty of sympathy.

Now I don't. The 'trans community' aren't all trans. A huge number are just fetishists and sexual predators. Plus a huge chunk of confused teenagers being indoctrinated by the aforementioned sexual predators. But they would rather protect these peoples 'rights' than those of women and girls.

So no, in a nutshell, no sympathy at all anymore.

I don't think that in general people are ant-trans. I think they are deeply concerned for the individuals involved and about some of the implications for society, particularly for women's safety.

Of course there are people who genuinely feel out of place in their body and need help, but equally we cannot pretend that there are not individuals who might use this as a front for gaining access to situations where they can pursue actions dangerous to women. Expressing that concern is not anti- trans. Those people who are genuinely in need of help with this issue are not responsible for the bad elements any more than I am responsible for a bank robber.

That's convenient for you!

Example of the safety issue - this 'transwoman' (6ft 5 male) attacked a child in a 'women's toilet'. I guess all those 'fine with it' are ok with this happening. Note that nothing happened with the previous voyeurism, it went unpunished. Most indecent exposure will go unpunished and is a gateway crime to more serious crimes. Allowing men (whatever their inner feelings) in women's toilets is harming girls.

Transgender woman, 18, sexually assaulted girl, 10, in Morrisons toilet | Metro News

So if he hadn’t asked to move, would he still have remained on a ward with vulnerable women?

Yes, there are lots of lovely trans people, no doubt about that. There are also lots of not-so-nice ones who threaten women with rape if they want to keep single-sex space or film themselves wanking in women's toilets.

All we want is to protect our single-sex space and boundaries. Is that really so bad?

👏 My position too.

I’m not ‘anti-trans’, how grown adults choose how to live their lives is of no bother to me as long as it’s not causing others harm. Same as any ideological belief system.

I am anti women’s sex based rights and spaces being impeached on because there has been a sudden ridiculous contradiction on identifying as trans and actually believing this is the same as being the opposite sex you were born. They are different things which even trans activists seem to flip flop between when it suits them.

I am very anti autistic/ND people and victims of childhood abuse being use as medical experiments instead of being supported adequately with the longstanding known mental distress that puberty brings. The correlation between transitioning and the person being ND is huge and quite frankly frightening how vulnerable young people have been lead to believe both online and by medics that their perfectly healthy bodies are ‘wrong’ because dealing with MH, especially stemming from additional needs is the absolute last thing the medical community will focus on.

@Bunny44 do you understand why women don't wish to share spaces where they are vulnerable with men? Are you advocating for fully mixed sex spaces everywhere?

Yes this

I support trans people ! As long as they are not deluded and think they can actually decide to be a man/woman! Trans women/men don't bother me at all and I think most people agree to that.

As a mother, I feel the need to protect my DD from having to use changing rooms and toilets with men in, because this makes her 14 TIMES more likely to be sexually assaulted in one. I worry that people like you are either too naive to grasp this and see it for the danger it is or just don’t care about the safety of women and children.

What ‘reactions on here’ worry you?

I don’t like labels, I’m fed up of people saying they have to be called they them, cis whatever . You were given a name when born . That’s enough .

I have zero problem with trans people choosing to present themselves however they want.

I do however object to anyone born with a penis trespassing in women's toilets changing rooms sports prisons hostels etc.

To allow male born people into these spaces defeats the object of the spaces existing in the first place.

I'll call a man in a dress whatever name they want, no problem. As long as they stay out of women's spaces.

Sadly, some people think that we ae tarring all transpeople with the same brush if we point out things like this, which allows them to safely dismiss us as bigots, when actually we care very little about a person's trans status and just want to keep all males out because, as you say, it's just a fact that there is greater risk when males are present in these spaces.

I know plenty of men who are ‘extremely lovely’ and I’m 99% confident (as you can’t ever know someone 100%) they’d never harm anyone. Doesn’t mean I think they should be able to use women’s spaces and compete in women’s sports if they woke up tomorrow feeling differently about themselves. Does that make me narrow
minded?

There are two genders, that is science/fact. People can identify as trans, cats, wolves, but it can’t impede my rights or others, or cost this country money. There is no place for men in women’s prisons, sports etc. and vice versa of course.

Exactly. I have 4 brother in laws, a dad, uncles etc who are very lovely. Doesn’t mean I want to get naked in front of them or to them to get naked in front of me.

I know, I'm fully happy for my Nigel to go everywhere with me. He's totally lovely and not threatening. But both he and I know that other women wouldn't be comfortable, and I wouldn't be comfortable with other men. So it's better that men have the common decency to stay out of women's spaces. To me, it's red flag behaviour, trampling all over women's boundaries.

Same here. My adult child is trans and it is such a painful journey for them and for me. I love them unconditionally so I need to keep them safe and help their mental health.
When they go through periods of wanting to take their own life because of the hatred It is awful.

They do not want anyone to come to harm, just live their life as they feel comfortable.

Being transgender has also been said to not be a medical condition.

And so it is important to recognise that this leaves the only commonality between people who have claimed to have gender identities as being based on shared philosophical belief.

Poor girls and their safety shoved aside to accommodate a male who thinks he is female. He's a man who is sick and attracted to girls. He should be called out as such, he shouldn't be called female.

We need to protect our women and girls in safe spaces.

Im actually quite shocked at some of the anti trans attitudes on here - I can see there are some scared and hurt people, but I cannot see their point of view. Celebrating the taking away of human rights is what scares me - all human rights, the movement will grow and affect all of us if not called out. « First they came for the trans community, and I did nothing.. »

People have the right to body autonomy and to live how they choose if not harming others. ‘Rights’ are not a pie, giving someone else a slice does not take away from yours.

All people are people, and I’m a person - why wouldn’t it be me next? I’m really not being worthy, my concern is for myself and my family, I see any erosion of respect and acceptance coming for us soon. And I’m white, middle class and straight - imagine the fear in anyone who isn’t, and for young people working their way through life. Crappy attitudes are really getting me down these past few days.

But you know those people! I am sure they are lovely. I am sure they wouldn’t hurt a fly.

but that’s a completely different situation to being a in vulnerable space with a stranger and you can’t be sure on their intentions. you can’t legislate to allow men into women’s spaces and vv because you have personal experience of someone who is nice.