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The brainlessness of an English Tutor. Fuming

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crazymomma93 · 20/01/2025 19:22

Long time lurker, please bear with me.
My DD12 has been having some issues with her reading book. It has been making her feel uncomfortable, from the Genre and style of writing. So I have looked into it, got a jist of the book, she has pointed out some bits that made her uneasy and I looked up the age rating which was 14+. Now typically if you knew me, you would know I am not "that Mom" but I emailed her Form Tutor to ask if there was an alternative. Tutor emailed back after talking to English dept and DD dosn't need to read the book any longer, she can bring in her own. No problem. My DD has just told me she spoke with her own English Tutor, the day before I sent the email to tell her Form Tutor. After listening to DD, English Tutor responds "it's just words"
ITS JUST WORDS? Sorry is that not pretty much the Tutors whole career, teaching English?
I need calming because I am close to emailing said teacher calling her a c**t, because, you know "it's just words". See how her feelings are when she reads something that makes her uncomfortable.
My DD turned to her to ask because the book was making her uneasy and that is the response. What about children who get verbally bullied? Where is this Womans morals. AIBU?

OP posts:
CharlotteByrde · 20/01/2025 21:50

We didn't read scary or upsetting books? Really, never? From 12-18 no The Chrysalids, Jane Eyre, Village of the Damned, Picture of Dorian Grey, Z for Zachariah? You missed out.

puzluz · 20/01/2025 21:51

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 20/01/2025 21:44

We didn't read scary books or upsetting books. And not all parents allow their dc to watch awful stuff online, amazingly enough.

How did your school find books that were neither scary nor upsetting? Or are you perhaps misremembering?

Texts I read / studied at school from infant school to pre-GCSE included:

Charlotte’s Web
Black Beauty
Watership Down
The Silver Sword
Children of the Dust
Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH
To Kill A Mockingbird
An Inspector Calls
Jane Eyre

None of which are exactly smiley, happy texts.

Regardless of the book, though, I’m surprised the teacher allowed OP’s DC to opt out. We wouldn’t have been allowed to opt out of a text taught in class, and didn’t have assigned reading books at that age otherwise - if we didn’t like one we’d got from the school library, we’d just return it; no need for teacher involvement at all.

I don't think any of those books are anywhere near the sort of thing aimed at children today.

Katbum · 20/01/2025 21:51

Clarabella77 · 20/01/2025 21:25

The thing I am most shocked about here is that a book by Giovanna and Tom Fletcher is being read at school!

I had this same thought! Hardly the Great Literature of our language...

LadyInRainbow · 20/01/2025 21:52

I don’t think your being unreasonable they also tend to age down in books when they need to analyse and critique it.

Msmoonpie · 20/01/2025 21:54

Why is everyone on here insane tonight ?

What a massive fuss and over reaction.
She didn’t want to read the book as it upset her. She now doesn’t have to. Problem solved.

Teacher may have been a bit back handed but they are correct. It is only a book - no need to dwell on it further.

puzluz · 20/01/2025 21:54

CharlotteByrde · 20/01/2025 21:50

We didn't read scary or upsetting books? Really, never? From 12-18 no The Chrysalids, Jane Eyre, Village of the Damned, Picture of Dorian Grey, Z for Zachariah? You missed out.

As I said to the other poster, most of those books are a walk in the park compared with some of the books aimed at kids today.

I didn't find Jane Eyre or the Picture of Dorian Grey upsetting at 14 though. When did you read them?

puzluz · 20/01/2025 21:56

MrsCobbit · 20/01/2025 21:46

What a nonsense - don’t expect your child to pass GCSE - unless you back off.

The child is 12....
There is quite a big difference between 12 and 16...

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 20/01/2025 21:57

puzluz · 20/01/2025 21:51

I don't think any of those books are anywhere near the sort of thing aimed at children today.

Edited

But you said YOU didn’t read scary or upsetting books. So what did they find for you to read?

Sinkingfeeling952 · 20/01/2025 21:58

Gwenhwyfar · 20/01/2025 20:12

We also had one about the aftermath of a nuclear war. Even had a rape in it. I think it might have been Farenheit 451 or something.

@Gwenhwyfar - that sounds like Z is for Zachariah. We had to read that too!

CharlotteByrde · 20/01/2025 21:58

I loved Z for Zachariah. The film is truly terrible though.

ERthree · 20/01/2025 22:00

Bluedoor11 · 20/01/2025 21:40

I read the book. Totally fine for a 12 year old.

Oh that's ok then, to hell with the child's feelings.

puzluz · 20/01/2025 22:02

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 20/01/2025 21:57

But you said YOU didn’t read scary or upsetting books. So what did they find for you to read?

I think maybe re-read my posts? And which Zola is upsetting?

@CharlotteByrde I am sorry if my post came across as a bit sarcastic - I went back to edit but was too late. So the gist I meant, but I should have worded it better, sorry.

TheMoth · 20/01/2025 22:02

puzluz · 20/01/2025 21:29

When were you born? Between 12 - 18 we read either classics like Austen, Dickens, Zola, etc etc, or books aimed at... OC - older children - 12 - 18 year olds. You can still even buy them now. In my day, whole book stores had shelves cram packed with them.

We didn't read scary books or upsetting books. And not all parents allow their dc to watch awful stuff online, amazingly enough.

The world is going to be a divided place in the future maybe - those who were protected from graphic and age inappropriate material as children who have good mental health and those who were not whose mental health will be shot. I am guessing some countries around the world will do better than others in this respect.

I'm an English teacher, born in the late 70s/ early 80s. I read some classics ,but Stephen King et al more, becausethey were much more interesting to me at that age.

And of course, flowers in the attic on the school yard at 13. Thank you, Emma's nan.

I am eternally grateful for the Jean m auel book, valley of the horses, because that was the kind of sex I expected to get when I eventually started having it. It made me expect better, which definitely helped me sort the wheat from the chaff.

SmileEachDay · 20/01/2025 22:04

I’m an English teacher.

Difficult themes can be explored in literature they are “just words”. No one is actually hurt, or killed. They are words - they can be read, discussed and put away with no damage to anyone.

That’s why they are so powerful and beautiful. They allow us to experience all sorts of things at a safe distance because we can stop the experience entirely simply by stopping reading.

RochelleGoyle · 20/01/2025 22:05

Students need to be challenged by what they read.

CharlotteByrde · 20/01/2025 22:05

@SmileEachDay which is exactly what the Op's daughter chose to do. Calling the teacher names seems so unnecessarily aggressive.

puzluz · 20/01/2025 22:06

TheMoth · 20/01/2025 22:02

I'm an English teacher, born in the late 70s/ early 80s. I read some classics ,but Stephen King et al more, becausethey were much more interesting to me at that age.

And of course, flowers in the attic on the school yard at 13. Thank you, Emma's nan.

I am eternally grateful for the Jean m auel book, valley of the horses, because that was the kind of sex I expected to get when I eventually started having it. It made me expect better, which definitely helped me sort the wheat from the chaff.

I had school friends who tried to get me to read flowers in the attic! Was never tempted though. At 13 we were still passing around Jinty and Tammy.

At 15 we passed around Jilly Cooper Octavia et al

I was more into books like those by Lynne Reid Taylor I think. Relationships and people.

CharlotteByrde · 20/01/2025 22:08

Loved those early Jilly Cooper books too. And Poldark and Lynne Reid Banks L-Shaped Room.

LuluBlakey1 · 20/01/2025 22:08

Perhaps things are different in the US.

The teacher is right. Books are 'only words'. We decide how we react to them. I say that as teacher of English/English Literature. We close or open our minds to books often before we have opened the book. We can choose how we react to words in a book as we choose how we react to what people say.

If you choose to call the teacher a 'cunt', she could choose to be upset or choose to think your behaviour is pathetic, unprofessional and risible, not become upset and simply report you to the Headteacher and let them deal with you.

CharlotteByrde · 20/01/2025 22:09

I think the point is, if the OP's daughter was reading a book from the school library for pleasure and she didn't like it, she just needed to swap, which she did. No need for rudeness from Mum.

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 20/01/2025 22:09

puzluz · 20/01/2025 22:02

I think maybe re-read my posts? And which Zola is upsetting?

@CharlotteByrde I am sorry if my post came across as a bit sarcastic - I went back to edit but was too late. So the gist I meant, but I should have worded it better, sorry.

You said in your post

We didn't read scary books or upsetting books. And not all parents allow their dc to watch awful stuff online, amazingly enough.

I’ve never read anything by Zola so can’t answer that bit. Another poster was talking about that author.

SmileEachDay · 20/01/2025 22:10

CharlotteByrde · 20/01/2025 22:05

@SmileEachDay which is exactly what the Op's daughter chose to do. Calling the teacher names seems so unnecessarily aggressive.

I completely agree. It’s also missing the point to think that “just words” is stupid.

pointythings · 20/01/2025 22:11

puzluz · 20/01/2025 22:06

I had school friends who tried to get me to read flowers in the attic! Was never tempted though. At 13 we were still passing around Jinty and Tammy.

At 15 we passed around Jilly Cooper Octavia et al

I was more into books like those by Lynne Reid Taylor I think. Relationships and people.

At 13 I was absolutely reading Stephen King. Also the Pan horror anthologies, lots of Jack Vance, lots of Agatha Christie, Dorothy L Sayers, Rex Stout and Dick Francis. A real mix. My mental health is excellent, thanks. Handling potentially difficult themes is part of learning about literature. And learning about literature is and should be part of growing up. So you read the books as a parent, you discuss them with your children, you grow with them.

I found the Flowers in the Attic series very boring.

SmileEachDay · 20/01/2025 22:14

pointythings · 20/01/2025 22:11

At 13 I was absolutely reading Stephen King. Also the Pan horror anthologies, lots of Jack Vance, lots of Agatha Christie, Dorothy L Sayers, Rex Stout and Dick Francis. A real mix. My mental health is excellent, thanks. Handling potentially difficult themes is part of learning about literature. And learning about literature is and should be part of growing up. So you read the books as a parent, you discuss them with your children, you grow with them.

I found the Flowers in the Attic series very boring.

Oh god, I loved Dorothy Sayers at that age 😍

shuggles · 20/01/2025 22:14

puzluz · 20/01/2025 21:39

What tv shows are you referring to? Just wondering

Well I've no idea how old you are, but there have always been TV shows aimed specifically at an 18+ audience, and you obviously would have watched some of those shows as a young child. I watched shows like South Park and Eurotrash at a young age. No harm done.

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