That picture of the Southport killer

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That has been circulating today.

Remember that sweet boy that was in all the reports at the time? The one who looked about nine?

Can anyone think of any other serious criminal who has pictures of them as a child out in the press?

That is the awful part.

You can't claim that every time females are attacked it is because the perpetrator is an incel.

There's been nothing to suggest he has a hatred of women. Nothing to suggest he has a hatred of men who are popular with women.

Every loner or oddball isn't an incel. Every incel doesn't perpetrate violence and every perpetrator of violence isn't an incel.

He supposedly attempted to target a school before this. Maybe he targeted the dance class because it was full of little girls? Maybe he just happened to see it advertised. Maybe he knew he could gain access easily. Maybe he didn't really think so deeply, and just saw it as an easy means to his end. He didn't seem to focus his hatred at any particular group.

I don't know. You don't know. None of us really know. But if he possessed or viewed material which would suggest he was an incel it almost certainly would have been reported now.

If someone goes on a killing rampage in a school they are not usually called a terrorist.

If he had tried to get to school the previous week but was stopped I guess it is possible that his motive was to do a school shooting type scenario, and as it was then the school holidays he chose a holiday club to attack instead.

I don’t understand why we are not talking about the overwhelming number of young males who have similar attitudes to women and girls combined with mental ill health… although it is now seemingly normal to carry weapons, abuse women and kill girls when the worst happens. He must have had numerous assessments if he was offered a special college place, so presumably his autism was spotted . There are numerous others who might do the same things so what is happening to them? Are they getting the help that is needed? And from whom? Are we going to lock them all up, in case ? Why is it young men that are doing it, and not young women? And why is it young girls and women who are often the victims? The men and boys are brutalized in many ways, including for some ,being in the army for example. It seems that is what is required of them. This is the result.

You think the media colluded to keep his picture out? The Guardian colluded with Daily Mail?

Nowhere have I said every time a woman is attacked, it’s by an incel. It would be ridiculous. A man who commits mass murder of young girls is a different matter.

Keir gaslighting us all in the press conference…

We are all well aware Keir, that no details could be released before the trial. But an up to date, realistic picture of the attacker could’ve been.

Could you please provide everything which supports this on a legal basis.

No.
Are you saying that an up to date picture couldn’t be released? I’d find that very odd.

Although that dance class would have been predominantly young girls were there boys there too? The 8 children hurt were they all girls?

Of course it was known when the inauguration was going to take place;

Inauguration Day occurs every four years on January 20 (or January 21 if January 20 falls on a Sunday). The inauguration ceremony takes place at the U.S. Capitol building in Washington, DC. The next presidential inauguration is scheduled to be on January 20, 2029.

https://www.usa.gov/inauguration#:~:text=Inauguration%20Day%20occurs%20every%20four,be%20on%20January%2020%2C%202029.

And that's aside from the fact the trial was set to start on 21st January.

The criminal trial commences on 20 January 2025 at Liverpool Crown Court and is expected to last from four to six weeks.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/media-advisory-notice-trial-of-axel-rudakubana

The mugshot could only be released post verdict. The other images would have been things the press could find online or which were sent to them. This is normal. No cover-up.

Yes I get that the actual mugshot couldn’t be released.
What a surprise that only a picture of an innocent schoolboy was available for print.
We don’t for a fact know whether there was a cover up or not.

Can you talk about how you think the cover up would work though? How would the conspirators stop the papers publishing a more up to date picture? Why would the left and right wing press be aligned in this?

Full disclosure I work for a big news organisation and I honestly can't see how you could make this happen? Call all the editors and threaten them? With what?

It wasn’t a cover up. Stop being daft. There are articles everywhere where the press explain this. They can only use the photos which they sourced online or which were provided to them. This person had a very limited digital presence.
The real question is why do you want to believe there was a cover-up? The criminal justice system simply could not do this. The multiple verdicts of guilty less than six months after the attacks is a very good result. Imagine working tirelessly on this case as many, many people have done and read something as ridiculous as your posts.

Re: the inauguration coinciding with the start of the trial...

No-one knew that Rudakubana was going to plead guilty until the plea was entered yesterday. The trial would have lasted weeks.How would the inauguration have covered that up?

Many people in the UK aren't interested in US politics, so hardly a good day to bury bad news.

And Starmer is so keen to cover the Rudakubana case up, he held a press conference this morning about it and the actions planned to try to prevent similar cases.

Yes, but they can't charge him with anything if he doesn't fall within the categories as defined in law as to what is an offence. Starmer is actually being quoted in the press today as saying that the categories need to be changed to remove the need for 'idealogy' and to make it such that being obsessed with violent is sufficient. I'm not a huge Starmer fan but I am a lawyer and I think he's in the right on all of this. He didn't tell the public what he (and others) knew as this individual was at the time safely behind bars awaiting trial, and that trial would have risked not being safe had too many details leaked into the public domain..

It probably was rather heavy handed to imprison the tweeters etc though, given what has emerged since.

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Many people in the UK aren't interested in US politics, so hardly a good day to buru bad news.

Although not forgetting that news of the terror charges coincided with the Budget. Two coincidences, not just the one.

If you think every single person at Liverpool Crown Court who was responsible for listing this trial was involved in a cover-up, you are crazy.

@Clavinova would you be saying the same if it had happened under the Tory watch?

How many times has there been news on such things that have not taken place on big news days?

Some people see conspiracies where there is coincedence.

And what benefit would it have been to have had the pre trial start on Trump's inaugaration.

Bebe King, Elsie Dot and Alice Desilva Aguiar murdered, 8 other children and 2 adults with stab injuries, a dozen other children with life long trauma and we have 38 pages of people moaning about a photo of a deranged evil little bastard or complaining about the date. Why does it matter what photo was used or what bloody date the trail was due to begin. What we need to be talking about is how the hell we deal with these kids at school. I am not talking about the little sods that are just trouble makers, i am talking about the kids that all the adults involved in their life know that this is a serious threat. We have become so scared of telling the truth, so scared of cold hard facts that we hide, this being the reason we allowed so many Pakistani men to rape so many young girls. It is time to protect all of our society and that includes the ones that are evil. We failed this evil young man and we really failed those little girls. It is high time secure units were brought back for the insane.

Very true, well said.

The problem is the provision and availability of suitable intervention services at the points leading up to all this.

It isn't to pull CAMHS apart, but they would be the primary organisation one would expect to support. But how could they implore him to engage before he got to a stage of being very worrying. Even then, as another pointer highlighted, CAMHS provision is so sub standard right now that parents are on their knees begging for support. ( This I know as fact). The services have been utterly stripped under Tory leadership. One can't even access assessments for Autism without waiting years or being gaslit. That is also fact unfortunately.

A poster mentioned Tier 3 support. If the service was there and they knew, they would potentially have intervened but I am guessing it may have been forced on him.

If the parents felt no one was helping them then they would likely have retreated information wise in the lead up to this.

So basically, even if you could implore him to accept help and intervention from a psychiatry point of view earlier, there is none! It's gone.

Starner explained really clearly this morning why he hadn't released any further information about the suspect earlier.

If you are still struggling with his reasoning even after having seen the press conference, then perhaps with all due respect you aren't going to get why most of these sorts of decisions are made.

When people don't understand the reasoning behind decisions, in the effort to make it make sense, the brain often defaults to the assumption that there has been a deliberate attempt to confuse externally, rather than a lack of comprehension internally. Hence the tendency for people to find a conspiracy where they're being left out of the loop, rather than seeing opportunity to deepen their own understanding.