Someone spreading race hate. Report to employer?

[emma91july]

Someone I know is spreading race hate (as well as Islamophobia - separate kind of hate, I understand) on social media. I have "reported" some of most recent posts on Facebook (before blocking the person). Facebook agreed that the posts breached their standards and have notified the person. I understand from others that this person continues to post hate-mongering stuff on Facebook.
They work in a very "customer-centric" in the heart of a very diverse community. Would you report this person anonomously to their employer? There is a whiteblowing procedure in place. Their employer is very hot on equality, diversity, respect for all etc.

If you haven't got the moral courage to put your name to it, then don't do it.

You clearly didn’t read my post at all. You could simply have apologised - instead you doubled down on it. I’ll judge your views accordingly

I can read perfectly well. I'm not going apologise for you being wrong.

But I wasn’t wrong was I? I was commenting on another persons post about ableism. You proceeded to quote me and start ranting about racism. Why do you have such an issue about admitting you were wrong, didn’t read my post correctly and are busy accusing me of something I didn’t do? Now can you see the issue in not going through the police when you suspect a crime and acting as judge and jury yourself?

The particular "ism" is irrelevant. Your point is that you think hateful people deserve more protections than the victims of their hate. Which is a despicable point of view.

I don't have, "Customers".

1. Nope.
2. Yes.
3. I'm not.
4. Yes.

Actually it is highly relevant. You have just decided unilaterally it is. If you read my posts you would notice that I said the views were despicable in the case of ableism. My point is the response of the poster was not correct. Where a crime has been suspected the appropriate response is to go to the police not act as judge and jury. What about wanting to follow due process is “a despicable point of view”. Once again you are trying to state what you think my position is (which you are doing incorrectly) and arguing against it. At this point you are arguing against your own imagination - which is actually very common these days especially amongst the habitually offended.

All you needed to do was apologise for misrepresenting what I said.

There is more than one "due process". There is the law, then there is the employers t&cs. One does not negate the other.

Ok, so you don’t do business with anyone, yet make money or do you think you have “clients” as opposed to customers., you only care about people you personally know, you think it’s ok to make unfounded remarks about people’s mental health, remarks people find derogatory. You don’t think you’re accountable to anyone. Yet you claim the moral high ground by removing someone’s income because you find it objectionable- yet won’t involve the very people tasked to uphold law and order.

it’s an interesting mindset.

Stil no apology? Wonder what your employer would make of employees going round making false accusations

I'm self employed. And I've made no "false accusations". I suggest you reread your own posts with a critical lens and drop the pathetic "apology" nonsense. Bow out if you've nothing constructive to add beyond protect the hate speakers.

Ah, another “I’m not responsible to anyone” maybe we should speak with your customers/clients about how you refuse am to accept you’ve made a mistake, double down on your mistake when it’s pointed out, then try and gaslight people and tell them to back off when they ask for an apology. Not someone I’d want to give my custom to

They haven't made a mistake. Supporting people who hate others is not a good look, though.

I've reported your post to Mumsnet, as you seem to be descending into chaotic ramblings.

Why should they not be punished? I'd be going to the police as well.
Inciting hate and racism is wrong and illegal. If they actually cared about their lives, jobs and family, they wouldn't air it out in public. They clearly aren't looking after anyone's best interests.

Report op. Crimes like this can be stopped and sentenced/fined. The more people that stand up against race hate and Islamaphobia the better.

But they accused me of posting something I didn’t write.

Can't decide if I'm shocked or not shocked at the amount of people effectively saying "Don't report the racist, mind your own business"

That sort of mindset is what gave us the Nazis 100 years ago, and seems to be repeating itself now (particularly in the USA). "It's not that bad, ignore it, mind your own business...." as the sort of things deemed acceptable slowly creep towards more and more hateful rhetoric because people keep getting away with it.

Racists should be shut down in any way possible at every available opportunity.

You see, I don’t agree with reporting someone to their employer. The proper thing to do in such situations is to report any suspicions of a crime to the police.

Im shocked at the number of people who think they can act as judge and jury rather than go through proper legal channels

Yes report for sure

Reporting them to their employer is the same as reporting them to the police.

The police/employer will investigate then take whatever action they deem necessary - they're the ones acting as 'judge and jury', not the person reporting it (the witness)

The proper thing to do with racists is to make them feel the consequences of their actions

Actually, no it’s not the same at all. When you report them to their employer, you are saying someone has said something I don’t agree with, you are creating a problem by your subjective reaction. The fact you find it objectionable is a measure that will be used by the employer.

On the other hand, if you go to the police, they will measure what is being said as to whether they consider a crime is committed, it will then go to the CPS to decide if it is in the public interest to go to court. If it goes to court that individual will be judged against the agreed laws of the country on an objective basis.

Not the same thing at all.

So take another point.

If someone posts “women are adult human females” on social media. Is this objectionable? Most people would say not. Yet some people would deem this offensive so report that person to their employer. That employer thinks “we these people find it objectionable so that brings us into disrepute” therefore we will sack that person - there might well have been a concerted effort to damage that person by a group of TRAs because that person was gender critical. Therefore, they decided to complain en masse. This is a system open to abuse. Report it to the police and they can use proper methods to ensure no crime has been committed.

im not sure why people can’t see the issue.

What the person said/posted would have to have contravened a policy that the company has in place in order for them to be sacked. If not then the employer leaves themselves open to tribunal. If you don't want sacked, then don't break company policies.

Racists should be called out and disrupted in any way possible. If they lose their job then maybe they'll learn the error of their ways before they end up like those idiots sitting in jail now for trying to burn hotels down etc. It's a slippery slope

Saying that a woman is an adult human female is a scientific fact. It's also just a statement and isn't hateful in any way.

Saying that disabled people are a burden on society, have no value to anyone, should all be culled, and you should go and kill yourself so your husband and children are free, is hateful.

But normally the phrase used is something along the lines of “not posting anything on social media likely to bring the company on to o disrepute” or similar. Now it would be possible to argue that someone complaining they are horrified that the company’s employee saying x is still employed and this has brought the company into disrepute (a couple of there might write in the same). Now arguably that employee has done nothing other than share an opinion.(and be a bit stupid allowing the link to their employer).

The original post here talks about “race hate” this is a specific crime.

The proper and moral way to deal with this is through the legal system. No doubt if that person is convicted they will quite rightly lose their job.

If it’s not a crime it is someone’s personal opinion. There’s lots of threads on here (and elsewhere) discussing whether “Muslim Pakistani grooming gang” is racist or Islamaphobic.

No one should be sacked because of someone’s personal opinion(I appreciate there are degrees- but again subjective) the legal route is the correct one.

But many trans people and their supporters would define the statement in your first paragraph transphobic and pure hate speech.

i have always agreed with you (as you will note from my previous comments) that I personally find the comments you report that person made despicable. I have just stated it is equally wrong to report someone to their employer, especially to delight in their downfall without any care about what happens to the innocent people round them , the proper course of action is to report to the police.

If their downfall impacts those around them, it is nobodies fault but their own.
Posting hate online absolutely does cause harm. And you think it should be ignored just in case it might cause second hand harm. Some pretty twisted logic.