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Someone spreading race hate. Report to employer?

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emma91july · 20/01/2025 13:58

Someone I know is spreading race hate (as well as Islamophobia - separate kind of hate, I understand) on social media. I have "reported" some of most recent posts on Facebook (before blocking the person). Facebook agreed that the posts breached their standards and have notified the person. I understand from others that this person continues to post hate-mongering stuff on Facebook.
They work in a very "customer-centric" in the heart of a very diverse community. Would you report this person anonomously to their employer? There is a whiteblowing procedure in place. Their employer is very hot on equality, diversity, respect for all etc.

OP posts:
AlisonDonut · 20/01/2025 21:40

Dotto · 20/01/2025 20:50

OP already knows and has informed you that the posts spread race hate. That's not what they asked.

All these posters being deliberately obtuse and goady. No wonder they haven't returned.

And nobody can say whether it is or not without knowing which words were spoken. So no advice can be given.

UnderFadedSkies · 20/01/2025 21:46

I absolutely would report it, and sleep better at night for it. It worries me how many people on here are absolutely okay with being bystanders of racism and prejudice. I think doing it anonymously is a personal choice, I wouldn’t feel the need to be discreet about it but i’m also passionate about equality and diversity and not afraid to speak up on the subject.

"What hurts the victim the most is not the cruelty of the oppressor but the silence of the bystander" -Elie Wiesel

AlisonDonut · 20/01/2025 21:48

UnderFadedSkies · 20/01/2025 21:46

I absolutely would report it, and sleep better at night for it. It worries me how many people on here are absolutely okay with being bystanders of racism and prejudice. I think doing it anonymously is a personal choice, I wouldn’t feel the need to be discreet about it but i’m also passionate about equality and diversity and not afraid to speak up on the subject.

"What hurts the victim the most is not the cruelty of the oppressor but the silence of the bystander" -Elie Wiesel

Islam isn't even a race, so you would be destroying someone's life without even knowing what you are talking about.

UnderFadedSkies · 20/01/2025 21:55

AlisonDonut · 20/01/2025 21:48

Islam isn't even a race, so you would be destroying someone's life without even knowing what you are talking about.

OP said race hate AND islamophobia. Prejudice against a whole group of individuals based on their religion is no better than prejudice based on race.

I wouldn’t be destroying anything, my conscious would be completely clear of that because I have never engaged in such hateful behaviour- that is all on the person being racist.

It’s 2025 bigotry, of any kind, isn’t acceptable anymore.

Ghruch · 20/01/2025 22:10

UnderFadedSkies · 20/01/2025 21:46

I absolutely would report it, and sleep better at night for it. It worries me how many people on here are absolutely okay with being bystanders of racism and prejudice. I think doing it anonymously is a personal choice, I wouldn’t feel the need to be discreet about it but i’m also passionate about equality and diversity and not afraid to speak up on the subject.

"What hurts the victim the most is not the cruelty of the oppressor but the silence of the bystander" -Elie Wiesel

Yeah but the alternative isn’t silence, it’s challenging the person directly. Racism is clearly bad but a culture of anonymous snitching is oppressive and awful in a different way.

Also, Wiesel was obviously referring to discriminatory action and violence. If you start punishing people because they could potentially one day be discriminatory, you have become the woke Stasi. You won’t actually stop people having racist thoughts or opinions by shopping them. You might possibly with open discussion. But the key thing is to act on discrimination, violence or incitement.

Dotto · 20/01/2025 22:10

AlisonDonut · 20/01/2025 21:40

And nobody can say whether it is or not without knowing which words were spoken. So no advice can be given.

You think you might know better than FB mods, who have an offensively high bar for hate content?

People demanding to know what was said are just being ghouls.

And how about we actually DON'T repeat hurtful, offensive, hateful remarks.. You know, because they are literally dispicable?

Tricho · 20/01/2025 22:17

Why anonymously? Coward.

Apollo365 · 20/01/2025 22:25

Tricho · 20/01/2025 22:17

Why anonymously? Coward.

Maybe OP doesn’t trust her HR.

UnderFadedSkies · 20/01/2025 22:25

Ghruch · 20/01/2025 22:10

Yeah but the alternative isn’t silence, it’s challenging the person directly. Racism is clearly bad but a culture of anonymous snitching is oppressive and awful in a different way.

Also, Wiesel was obviously referring to discriminatory action and violence. If you start punishing people because they could potentially one day be discriminatory, you have become the woke Stasi. You won’t actually stop people having racist thoughts or opinions by shopping them. You might possibly with open discussion. But the key thing is to act on discrimination, violence or incitement.

It’s a tough one with the whistleblower side of it. I agree that, on the one hand, it’s essential to educate people, and calling people out directly can start a conversation that may lead to a change in perspective. However, believe it or not, racists aren’t generally kind, reasonable people, and whistleblowing protects the reporter from repercussions so I generally support it.

Just because it’s online and not in person doesn’t mean spreading hateful rhetoric isn’t harming anyone. If they are posting online, they’re already openly being prejudiced—not just thinking about it.

VulcanVause · 20/01/2025 22:42

if it’s really bad, report anonymously to employer. If they also think it’s very bad, they will deal with it.

HelenaWaiting · 21/01/2025 06:28

Greyish2025 · 20/01/2025 16:13

Reporting animosity is despicable in your opinion, why?

Firstly, it's "anonymously" not "animosity". Secondly, if you don't have sufficient moral compass to understand why it is despicable, I can't help you, and frankly, I wouldn't want to.

Porcuporpoise · 21/01/2025 07:00

Ghruch · 20/01/2025 22:10

Yeah but the alternative isn’t silence, it’s challenging the person directly. Racism is clearly bad but a culture of anonymous snitching is oppressive and awful in a different way.

Also, Wiesel was obviously referring to discriminatory action and violence. If you start punishing people because they could potentially one day be discriminatory, you have become the woke Stasi. You won’t actually stop people having racist thoughts or opinions by shopping them. You might possibly with open discussion. But the key thing is to act on discrimination, violence or incitement.

Equally if the person who made the comments feels they were justified then they should have no difficulty explaining this to their employer.

AlisonDonut · 21/01/2025 07:05

Dotto · 20/01/2025 22:10

You think you might know better than FB mods, who have an offensively high bar for hate content?

People demanding to know what was said are just being ghouls.

And how about we actually DON'T repeat hurtful, offensive, hateful remarks.. You know, because they are literally dispicable?

Edited

Well, yes I don't make judgements based on knowing nothing about it, you have no idea what this is about. And using Facebook as a rule is laughable.

Valeriekat · 21/01/2025 07:51

thepariscrimefiles · 20/01/2025 14:38

Not as despicable as being a racist though.

Is there a hierarchy of despicable behaviour?

ChicLilacSeal · 21/01/2025 07:55

Do not destroy someone else's life. Even racists gotta eat.

JubileeJuice · 21/01/2025 07:57

I would, and have done. If I was an employer and someone I paid to do a job had my company name on a social media profile that was also displaying hate speech, I'd want to know.

I happily reported someone who was ableist, to their employer. I very happily smiled when I learned they'd been dismissed.

FarmGirl78 · 21/01/2025 08:01

Everanewbie · 20/01/2025 14:15

How bad are the posts? One persons Islamaphobia and racism is another person's tough questions, satire, challenging norms and voicing sincerely held beliefs in our traditions of freedom of expression. Are you the arbiter of where the line is? Do you have the option to block/hide the posts rather than bring this persons life around them?

I think if Facebook think it's bad then it's bad, because virtually NOTHING qualifies as being against their community standards!!

Brefugee · 21/01/2025 08:39

JubileeJuice · 21/01/2025 07:57

I would, and have done. If I was an employer and someone I paid to do a job had my company name on a social media profile that was also displaying hate speech, I'd want to know.

I happily reported someone who was ableist, to their employer. I very happily smiled when I learned they'd been dismissed.

did you do it anonymously?

were you happy that potentially partner and kids get thrust into poverty?

I still think that you need to challenge on the platform, report to the platform and if you feel the need, because it was so awful, report it - under your real name - to their employer.

Ghruch · 21/01/2025 09:07

UnderFadedSkies · 20/01/2025 22:25

It’s a tough one with the whistleblower side of it. I agree that, on the one hand, it’s essential to educate people, and calling people out directly can start a conversation that may lead to a change in perspective. However, believe it or not, racists aren’t generally kind, reasonable people, and whistleblowing protects the reporter from repercussions so I generally support it.

Just because it’s online and not in person doesn’t mean spreading hateful rhetoric isn’t harming anyone. If they are posting online, they’re already openly being prejudiced—not just thinking about it.

But ‘being prejudiced’ is still just having an unsavoury opinion. It’s not denying someone a service, firing them from a job, slashing their tyres, beating them up. It’s really important to make the distinction because the whole point of free speech is that you have the freedom to say things other people don’t like, as long as that doesn’t slide into discriminatory behaviour or incitement.

There’s an argument around bringing the company into disrepute if the posts associate the person with the company (ie, they identify themselves as an employee on their profile), but even then I’d be very wary of reporting. What effect does it have on our freedom to say what we think if we fear being hauled up in front of our employer whenever someone disagrees with us? As many gender critical women have said, “the process is the punishment”.

For me, the time to intervene formally is when there is incitement or action. Before that, challenge them directly.

Greyish2025 · 21/01/2025 09:12

HelenaWaiting · 21/01/2025 06:28

Firstly, it's "anonymously" not "animosity". Secondly, if you don't have sufficient moral compass to understand why it is despicable, I can't help you, and frankly, I wouldn't want to.

Don’t be stupid, you clearly aren’t thinking of all possible scenarios if you come out with blanket statements like ‘Reporting anonymously is despicable’ …. Ridiculous comment

JubileeJuice · 21/01/2025 11:36

Brefugee · 21/01/2025 08:39

did you do it anonymously?

were you happy that potentially partner and kids get thrust into poverty?

I still think that you need to challenge on the platform, report to the platform and if you feel the need, because it was so awful, report it - under your real name - to their employer.

Not anonymously, no.

Yes, I was absolutely delighted that their employer took ableism seriously enough to dismiss them. Brilliant. Couldn't care less about their potential poverty - perhaps they shouldn't spew hate about us.

As if Facebook cares about ableism 😂

Brefugee · 21/01/2025 13:55

you do you then.

Dotjones · 21/01/2025 13:59

No you should just let Facebook deal with it. Their professional life and Facebook nonsense are separate, unless they are facebooking for their employer.

Digdongdoo · 21/01/2025 14:05

Depends if they're being outrightly, deliberately awful or just a bit of an ignorant twat. If the former, report away - anonymously if you like.

JubileeJuice · 21/01/2025 14:09

Brefugee · 21/01/2025 13:55

you do you then.

I will.