Is it really that wrong to want for your country what Trump stands for?

[Anniedash]

I know that there are plenty of threads on Trump at the moment, but most of them are designed to rubbish the guy. That’s been done to death in the last 10 years.

He has still won two presidential elections so perhaps it’s time to move the discussion on a bit.Let’s put aside Trump’s personality, bluster, and whether he will deliver or not, for a second.

Is it really so wrong and bad to want to go for what his core message is? Why is the far right label used so liberally and will we ever see a government in this country which can tackle this madness -

A stop to or huge reduction in illegal immigration

Putting your own country first ahead of internationalism. It’s not a novel idea and certainly not a byword for automatically wanting war. In fact Trump’s argument is that war is bad

Saying no the climate hysteria. Climate change is real but climate emergency seems to be a made up concept to simply tax people to death to re distribute taxes to government lobbyists. Why should people accept being poorer in the name of this dangerous ideology

Putting a stop to woke madness. When did it become ok for state sponsored mutilation of children? Men pretending to be women in prison and hospitals getting access to women’s spaces. People being sanctioned do not using the correct pronouns

Driving the economy forward and putting a stop to endless freebies for those who have no intention of contributing to the system and refuse to work because they are sad.

The fact that someone as eccentric as Trump has to fly the flag for common sense ideas shows you just how batshit the political discourse has become.

Both of us have said "Agree to disagree"... but still you persist!!

Point still stands.... 200k vs 600 to 900k per year... many older... esp from HK, as the fist wave would be older design.

No i didn't read it or the Guardian, a 2015 article is meaningless, its even pre Brexit vote.

@JHound ,

I am not a lawyer but, from what I understand, the abortion issue related to the constitution and what it had to say on abortion.

I think, in the original decision, it was decided that abortion could be seen as a constitutional right, so it was right to enforce it at federal level.

The appeal said it was a massive stretch to think the constitution covered it, and that either a new federal law should be enacted or that it should be delegated back to the states, as it was before.

It is like saying the EU should make abortion a fundamental right rather than leaving this in the hands of the nation states.

My understanding is that the appeal was more in keeping with the constitution than the original result and it should be left to the states or a new federal law should be passed.

It's fascinating to see how many people actually believe that there is difference between democrats and republicans. Roe vs. Wade was repealed, Musk became the richest man in the world and inflation has skyrocketed; all under a democratic executive branch. Left wing, right wing, same bird. All of this division is a distraction from the fact that America is an oligarchy and poor people will continue to be screwed regardless of which party gets their vote.

I’m not saying I agree with his policies, or with Reform’s. But I can see why people voted for him. With widespread internet access and the diminishing influence of tabloid journalism, simply mocking Trumps appearance or outrageous remarks no longer sways voters. People look past it and he knows it. Political parties need more than press releases; they must adress rea voter concerns. Take knife crime for example- what would Trumps approach be compared to Keir or Kemi!”? So far they have done little to tackle it.

Lol - you cannot accept it!

Wrong. Misinformation. Extreme weather events indeed used to happen and people died. Infrastructure won’t save us from fossil fuel related climate change. This is unprecedented. The climate emergency is here and it’s only going to get worse. I wish with all my heart it wasn’t true. But it is. And Trump is a disaster in that respect.

There are good arguments. You are choosing to ignore them.

And, qas a woman I think it’s pretty sensible to hate a man that feels it’s not only appropriate to use their power to sexually assault women but then is so blasé about it they feel empowered to brag about it. I feel it’s completely bizarre to support him as a woman. I can see why white men like him.

Politics aside, he’s a convicted felon too. I mean, surely that’s grounds to legitimately question his fitness to lead the worlds most powerful nation?

@Annie Dash - you have bought into the rhetoric that you have to be left wing to hate Trump - many Republicans can't stand him either including senior ex Republican politicians , but that was the choice or not vote at all or vote Democrat - you don't have to be left wing to think he's a mysoginistic, crooked sleaze bag who basically has only kept out of prison by being elected

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/22/kkk-immigrants-flyers-kentucky

Be interested to hear your views on this OP.

OK, one at a time:

A huge reduction in illegal immigration. Don't you think our governments and previous US governments have been trying to do this? You can't just say 'Let it be so,' and it will be so. All the efforts so far seem to have created a very lucrative market in human trafficking. US farmers are having kittens at the prospect of suddenly losing their cheap labour - and they voted for Trump.

Putting your country first. Isn't that what most governments want? Putting an end to war - easy to say, not so easy to do. We can step back and let Putin do what he wants with Ukraine, but that didn't work in the 1930s.

Saying 'no' to climate hysteria. There's a certain irony in that comment as LA burns to the ground, we face more serious storms each year, sea levels rise and wildfires get worse and worse. We're in danger of losing the Gulf Stream if the seas get much warmenr, and then we will really be in trouble. The clever money is in clean energy these days. The best way forward is to get into the technology and get really good at it.

Putting a stop to woke madness. a) that's a real tabloid headline, not reality. b) there have been very few cases - and we're close to none now, of men being in women's prisons. Yes, there's been some transgender nonsense. I find it better than a government letting a killer disease like AIDs run riot becasue they thought it was exclusive to the gay community.

Driving the economy forward etc etc. I have no sympathy for people who claim benefits unreasonably, though you clearly have no idea what a crippling mental illness can be like. I hope you never do find out. But the money spent this way is minuscule compared to what we lose in tax avoidance.

Trump is just pandering to populist beliefs that are mostly based on untruths. His main agenda seems to be to make sure he and his family get even richer, and his wealthy friends do as well, and buying US (and possibly UK) politics for the forseeable.

I don't think it's wrong to agree with some of his sentiments OP. Clearly a lot of people do.

And I think you are absolutely right to try and look past the noise surrounding Trump to try and understand his appeal. On paper no country should be electing a formerly impeached rapist who thoroughly used the presidency for his own ends and actually tried to overthrow democracy in the USA.

However even if there are issues where i found common ground with him. I still couldn't bring myself to vote for a person of such low calibre. I personally believe voting for a creature like Trump would render me morally bankrupt.

I pretty much feel the same when I see images of antifa waving communist flags tbh it’s no different

@Scammersarescum yep, me too - as I said below even a stopped clock is right twice a day but all the shitty things don't balance that off - I think sadly the world is going to end up dancing to his tune purely for business reasons- which may be good for rich Americans but just means you get Putin Mark 2 - quite alarming

Are you freaking kidding me?

God the ignorance is staggering!

Did Antifa historically Lynch people? Do you know how bloody scary the KKK is for black people???

The fact you wrote that is honestly disgusting.
You have NO clue what the KKK represent for non-whites if you out really believe that.

No clue.

Yeah, it is. It is wrong.

hope that helps.

I hardly know where to begin. So I'm not going to.

Suffice to say that I am not a fan of egotistical megalomaniacs (of any political or economic persuasion) who do whatever it takes to get their own way.

You have no idea how communists have literally committed the worst atrocities of the 20th century. Any flag representing communism should be just as taboo.

And then pardoned them in his first day in office!

I would imagine they’ve been reading the telegraph…..

I have not made anything up. Biden has pardoned his family and a few other people too for not just any crimes they might have already committed but ANY future crimes they might commit at any point in the future. This can include absolutely ANYTHING including mass murder.

@Scammersarescum

"However even if there are issues where i found common ground with him. I still couldn't bring myself to vote for a person of such low calibre. I personally believe voting for a creature like Trump would render me morally bankrupt."

A good summary andI can see your point. However for many voters it was a perceived choice between becoming morally bankrupt or becoming financially bankrupt and evidently financial self interest won out on the day.

The half wits who voted for DT are sadly mistaken if they were counting on him to do anything for them.DT as always is looking out for what benefits him. The pathetic people who voted for him fell for DT's lies and now we're all in serious trouble.

Are you American? Are you black?

We are talking about the US which has an extensive history with slavery and racism.

The KKK in North America are bloody terrifying.

I am American and a lot of us came from families fleeing communism. So
I’m not gonna apologize for my opinions here.