Is it really that wrong to want for your country what Trump stands for?

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I know that there are plenty of threads on Trump at the moment, but most of them are designed to rubbish the guy. That’s been done to death in the last 10 years.

He has still won two presidential elections so perhaps it’s time to move the discussion on a bit.Let’s put aside Trump’s personality, bluster, and whether he will deliver or not, for a second.

Is it really so wrong and bad to want to go for what his core message is? Why is the far right label used so liberally and will we ever see a government in this country which can tackle this madness -

A stop to or huge reduction in illegal immigration

Putting your own country first ahead of internationalism. It’s not a novel idea and certainly not a byword for automatically wanting war. In fact Trump’s argument is that war is bad

Saying no the climate hysteria. Climate change is real but climate emergency seems to be a made up concept to simply tax people to death to re distribute taxes to government lobbyists. Why should people accept being poorer in the name of this dangerous ideology

Putting a stop to woke madness. When did it become ok for state sponsored mutilation of children? Men pretending to be women in prison and hospitals getting access to women’s spaces. People being sanctioned do not using the correct pronouns

Driving the economy forward and putting a stop to endless freebies for those who have no intention of contributing to the system and refuse to work because they are sad.

The fact that someone as eccentric as Trump has to fly the flag for common sense ideas shows you just how batshit the political discourse has become.

Compulsive liar and convicted criminal. What a guy 👍

I fully agree with you that climate change is a fact. I also believe that there is a strong correlation between CO2 levels and temperature increases. Although I'm open to other causes.

But the question soon becomes what to do about it if anything. Do you spend money on trying to reduce CO2 emissions in your country at a significant economic cost whilst other countries don't meaning economically you become comparatively poorer and CO2 levels keep rising. Or do you accept that CO2 levels have reached a point where they are not going to come down and you spend the money mitigating against the impact of climate change- more flood prevention, fire prevention etc etc.

Personally (with some work related insights) I think the best and cheapest way to reduce climate change, CO2 levels and related deaths and damage is through global population control. Less people = less environmental damage. And the best way of achieving this is through female education in developing countries and birth control in other countries.

I so agree. How right you are.

It was a disgusting comment

Funnily enough the name of today's designated survivor doesn't appear to be available on line.

I'm trying to imagine putting my politics first, if the person who was going to lead the party and possibly the country was so stupid (injecting bleach?) had no respect for and would not be listening to, experts, was a felon, spoke of women and sexually assaulting them as he has, was planning to fill his cabinet with complete loons... and the list goes on.

I really hope that I would have the sense to recognise that voting for a demagogue is a bad idea.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/19/trump-plan-day-one

Gotta break a few eggs, eh? 🙄

Apparently he's due to rename the Gulf of Mexico today... Like he said, the 'Gulf of America' has a ring to it... What does that say to the rest of us? He's not quietly going to sit in a corner and be nice to the rest of the world. I dread to think how we will cope in this new dynamic. Don't forget we were still inside the EU for most of his first mandate and then the pandemic hit for the final year, which meant very unique circumstances. We've not yet seen him in action when as economically vulnerable as we are now.

And of course, the migrants... on day one.

The Mexicon President has said she would like to go back to an older name for the USA... "America Mexicana"

Now that really does have a ring to it!!

On TV It's asking Trump supporters what they want:

Tik Tok returned
Drain the slump!
Deport the immigrants
Get rid of corruption in government

I mean WTAF? I want ignorant people to stop voting personally!!

Want to comment on the Greenland /Panama issue and explain in your view how that's ok? Plus how it makes Trump "good"

Simply because people have a different view to you does not make them deranged.

Too slow.

O billionaires and admirers, you are going to fry and drown and starve with the rest of us, believe it or not, your $s won't protect you. It's coming for everyone unless Elon can get you to Mars ASAP. Amazing how many people will happily believe several dozen conspiracy theories with no foundation at all but show them some scientific proof and they start shouting "burn the witches, its all lies". Unless it's Elon's science of course, fully supported by the otherwise non-believers.

I'm most curious about how the US is gonna take back the Panama Canal.

And event then, Musk gets to Mars - so fucking what? He can starve up there alone. There's nothing there.

Yes, of course it is, you numpty.

OP, other posters could spend our evening writing evidence backed responses to your original post, point by point, but most of us know it is a waste of our time.

The things you claim you want for the UK are based on your feelings rather than evidence.

What we don’t know … is Panama sick of running the canal? Maybe they would like to do a deal that gives them a different, or better opportunity- we just don’t know.

Greenland. The Greenlanders might want a better deal than they currently get from Denmark.

I’m keeping an open mind. The people of these two places might want something different from what you think they should want.

Both places might be welcoming the opportunities presented.

Project 2025 appears to be on Trump's agenda. Much of it I would disagree with were I an American. However, it proposes criminalizing pornography and prosecuting those who produce it, which most feminists would support (indeed, it's allied in part to the Nordic model on prostitution IMO). It would also remove protections against discrimination on grounds of gender identity - since such protections have been used to remove or reduce the protections enacted for sex, esp the female sex, many would support this, too.
Making the National Institute for Health less independent smacks of Thatcher's 'near market' jargon the results of which idea were one reason for the Grenfell fire - the agency required to check fire safety relied on the industry for its income (anyone could see this was stupid?).

It has got us out of the gender ID nonsense being promulgated by Brussels, for one. And wages have gone up since businesses can no longer import cheap labour from e.g. Romania, Poland etc.
And an insult to our national teams is a good reason for voting to leave the EU, it showed just what the EU thought of Britian.
I doubt the Welsh are too pleased to be having Critical Race Theory - an ideology that requires e.g. pupils to be grouped by race and which stigmatizes being white (which most Welsh are) - shoved down their children's throats. As to gender woo parents have taken the Welsh administration to court over this one, but gender ideology is supported by the EU.
Also, every time pan-Europe has been tried it has ended in lots of tears.
The EU is also deeply racist, which worries me. It is currently indulging in 'othering' non-European populations and in the UK made it very difficult for Commonwealth citizens to emigrate here.

@StandFirm yes this was what stood out to me, overt religious over tone and blessings etc.

And the Royal family & the rituals surrounding them isn’t … freakish?

@Banyon no this was very different.

So much God.... urgh..... and what was Elon Musk on giving his speech at the Arena? Colonising Mars indeed.. .. urgh.

The commentary I'm watching live is Agenda Free TV, the guy is American and is picking up news as he goes along. Blocking has indeed started at the Mexican border apparently.

What I really disliked was the world domination vibes in the main speech, and using high tariffs to funnel money from trade partners into the US at a high rate. Plus the "we're going to build up our military. I feel quite queasy.

The right wingers love to shout about grooming gangs on this thread but when said grooming gangs get 14 year old children pregnant they’d be quite happy to remove their right to an abortion.