Grooming gangs being labelled as "Muslim grooming gangs"

[Olga009933]

Why is religious heritage of child sex offenders only mentioned in headlines when the offenders are of south Asian and predominantly Muslim heritage.
Why not just label them as "grooming gangs" or "Asian grooming gangs" (if wanting to be be specific).
Just thinking and wondering about the thousands of white British and presumably non-Muslim sex offenders who make the news. How many of them are labelled "Christian sex attacker" or "Jewish pervert" etc? Why is the religious heritage of a sex offender only mentioned why the offenders are of Muslim background?
If mentioning religion for one particular demographic then surely its only fair to mention the religious heritage of them all?

Are you that stupid seriously

And football shirts. That always makes me laugh. "Take a knee" premiership football shirts.

Anyone with half a brain cell knows these disgusting evil men aren’t representative of Muslim men in general. Just because they aren’t representative of their faiths doesn’t mean we can’t say what faith they belong to.

Visit these boroughs in Rotherham and I can prove it:
Wellgate, Broom, Eastwood, Ferham, Tinsley (Sheffield but borders Rotherham)

It’s just not relevant that there is an overlap between racist and rapist when it comes to the grooming gangs. If you’re willing to rape children, you’re more likely to also be a racist. Yes some of these convicts have expressed racist views about white girls in particular.

But white girls were not over-represented amongst the victims- there’s no data to show they were especially targeted. Black & Asian girls were also trafficked. Only mixed race girls were over-represented. In addition, many of these men preyed within their own community as well, so some Muslim Pakistani girls were also trafficked.

From the data, the only patterns emerging is that poor, vulnerable, underage girls of all ethnicities were victims of grooming gangs of all ethnicities. It is more about misogyny and class. Most of the perpetrators are British not foreign, so how much can we say it’s not in our cukture? When we literally have had decades of uncovering centuries long grooming gangs within the Christian churches, within public schools, within the film/music/modelling industry…

You can be “British” on paper but lead a completely seperate life than any British person you know.
try spending some time in Tower Hamlets, London. These people are “British”, often born here but live completely seperately to British values, law, culture

Yes - I am not a bot. MM can confirm I am a long term user. It is 100% the truth. I can’t even visit my grandads grave anymore because it would be literally asking to be raped or abused if I walked into the street I grew up in and visited the cemetery.

My whole family have moved town, I think the last census there was around 40% of people living in the town who said they was Muslim.

There are more than that though, as it’s a not so local secret that many people from places like Pakistan are living there, with family, who shouldn’t by here in terms of immigration status for things like free health care etc. it’s usually part of the dowry that the parents come with the bride from “back home” and live here.

You could easily consider many young muslim girls as vulnerable. Due to their background they would be reluctant to report sexual assaults especially multiple. They could be accessed far easier by these men as being neighbours, friends and family.

Did these scumbags choose them?

There was a similar thread to this the other week where people were posting stats showing that asylum seekers are clearly over-represented in European sex crime statistics in proportion to their numbers. I can well believe it looking at the many group sexual assaults perpetrated in Europe by men from middle Eastern countries - assaults that appear to be extremely similar to the ones that happen in places like Egypt (read the case of reporter Lara Logan who was publicly gang raped for around 30 mins whilst reporting on the Arab spring).

Western men don't do these kind of things. It's a middle Eastern import. There have been no recent cases of 1200 sexual assaults in a single evening committed in public by large groups of white males.

There was a discussion on GB News the other day where somebody had submitted a FOI request and found out that 2/3 of sexual assaults in London are committed by foreign nationals. I'll try to find the link from that thread.

There is no data! That’s the point!
“Grooming gang” isn’t a crime that is recorded by the police.
They have recently admitted that sometimes there isn’t time to record perpetrators’ ethnicities.
How can we believe white men are more likely to be involved in grooming gangs than anyone else when they don’t even record grooming gangs?
It’s all water muddying nonsense

The UK is a Christian country but you don't hear when White British Hooligans terrorise an area or White Grooming Gangs as Christian British Hooligans or Christian British Grooming Gangs - being from a Christian country, celebrating Christmas and Easter and having a Christian name does not make you Christian or give you any knowledge of the Christian faith. That's the point of the OP!
There is a major problem that needs to be addressed but if the common denominater is that they are Pakistani and that Muslims of all other ethnicities have not been involved then Islam isn't the issue it is the culture.

I urge anyone with an interest in learning the facts to follow his podcast/youtube interviews.
Its heartbreaking what he went through to uncover the truth and escalate the facts to the authorities.

The lengths that the council leaders went to cover up ‘all in the name of votes’ is staggering.

Their corruption will only fuel division and hatred; a two tier judicial system cannot lead to a cohesive society. We only need ‘One community’ and a lawful one at that.

Couldn’t have said it better @Hoppingabout .
@Thegoatliesdownonbroadway that sounds awful. I suffered frequent sexual harassment and even abuse growing up in a Muslim country.
Back in U.K. at 15, much less. I live in the southeast and FWIW I’ve been flashed at a fair few times, always by white men. Had my crotch grabbed in a busy market by someone who appeared of Middle Eastern/ Asian background. Ditto the guy who masturbated through his joggers while staring at me in the tube. A friend with two beautiful daughters ( I have sons ) tells me the sexual harassment they have experienced ( also in south east and London) has always come from men of non European appearance. I know this is not information she would share around freely , we all know the rules and stating this kind of fact unless to family/ close friends is liable to get you suspected/ accused of being racist. In a professional setting that can spell trouble and even be career ending

When they are convicted, they are charged with rape, kidnap etc. never “being part of a grooming gang”. The term doesn’t exist in law. Therefore legal data cannot be recorded for it.

Sorry, but there have been numerous white Christian evangelical groups that have groomed and raped children. They usually get re-labelled as a “cult” when it’s found out.

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No one is saying white men are more likely.
What I am saying is the data that we have, which was investigated by a £180m inquiry and covered 30% of all grooming gangs over the past 40yrs showed NO EVIDENCE that any one ethnicity is more likely than another to be part of a grooming gang.

They didn’t target vulnerable girls who happened to be white . They were targeted because they were non Muslim/ “ impure” and vulnerable.

WHAT DATA?!?! Recorded where? How? By whom?

That’s because that wasn’t the remit of the inquiry

its not removing PEOPLE from the data set - it's removing TYPES OF CSE CRIME from a larger data set and creating a smaller data set of a different kind of CSE. The grooming gangs we are talking about are a particular subset of rape, carried out away from institutional settings, by large groups of men.

In this type of crime Pakistani Muslim men are more highly represented than would be expected if they were "just" as a likely as any other group to be involved.

What we do need is good, robust, data on who exactly is involved across all of the "grooming" gangs, are any other groups disproportionately represented within that majority "white" figure? Catholics? Methodists? Canadians? Italians?

Why should they be recorded as South Asian? It’s not predominantly Sikh and Hindu men participating in this specific type of crime. We need to be specific to understand and prevent this from happening again. The fear of being racist/ prejudice by middle class women is part of the problem.

Yeah let’s sit around and debate which label (Muslim/Pakistani) is best. smh

There is a quite a common belief among some Muslim men that white women are “kafir”. This crime has to be understood within that context.

Hiding behind “Asian gangs” as we did for
so long muddies the water. Probably suits the rapists. More vulnerable girls will fall victim.

We need to know WHO is the problem to tackle it.

I am sorry, I don't doubt you are a genuine person. I live in a southern town which has a large Pakistani community, and that isn't my experience. I find what you say despairing.

This has not happened in the UK on a national scale in every major city where thousands upon thousands of children were raped and tortured with the authorities looking away due to fear of racisim damaging community relations.

Some muslim men believe white women are slags and “kafir”. It’s a VERY important detail in understanding these crimes.