Cancel Culture, is it over?

[B0xes]

AIBU to think that the vibe has shifted? I think it has, something about Trudeau standing down seems to confirm this.

But I know there are still people (often those trying to engage in it) who say it never even was a thing. Was it?

Maybe it's still in full force. But it feels like something has changed. Does it take a while for everyone to realise?

If a woman says that a biological man doesn't belong in a woman's prison or refuge or rape crisis centre, in what sense would it be legitimate to support them losing their jobs and livelihoods as a result?

Because that has happened to women.

It's usually women that I've seen crucified tbf. If a bloke genuinely says something offensive then that's fair, but usually it's used to refer to people being shut down because their views don't align with the latest trends.

Anybody who doesn't believe in it should try voicing the opinion that humans can't change sex and see what happens at work. Women have been sacked and visited by the police for such serious transgressions. I don't lose too much sleep over the gender debate tbh but I still think things are bonkers nowadays in some institutions.

Not buying a ticket for an event is not supporting an event.

Threats, harassment, assault, getting huge gangs of people to shout, scream, bang drums, blow whistles, bang on windows, follow the attendees down the street, threaten to destroy the event hosts livelihoods, threaten their families, bomb threats, threaten the management if they don't cancel or sack the person who booked the event is cancel culture. It is actually terrorism but the police usually look away if they even turn up. Or simply cease to fund something if they put a foot wrong and refuse entry to the wrong types of people. Or nail rats to the door, intimidation is quite the thing in Vancover.

Depriving people of their livelihood and utterly ostracising them for things that they themselves believed 5 minutes ago (or still do when they're being honest)

It's something liberals do to stop people saying things that they believe will be a threat to their power. Most often because what they are trying to suppress is actually true and if other people hear it, it will break the spell.

The idea that these right wing, libertarians are all free speech absolutists is a joke. They are some of the most whiny, thin-skinned, 'can dish it out but can't take it' individuals I've ever encountered.

Trumps entire raison d'etre for being President is to settle scores with people who have been mean to him. Elon Musk's tweets are as juvenile and ignorant as those tweeted by racist, women-hating incels from their bedrooms.

Somewhat trivialising racism but OK.

Any examples of right wing cancellations?

I think that you are onto something. I peaked over Covid when we were all put under house arrest for two years. I'm in Scotland and Sturgeon was a nightmare who was also corrupt as fuck.

@B0xes you've not responded to my examples that I have you of the right wing attempting to cancel boots and Costa due to adverts they disagreed with.

Sorry, you're right. I think "attempts" is the point here. They weren't exactly successful. These are more boycotts than cancel culture though, which are different things. Boycotts predate cancel culture by a long shot, and in my opinion have always really been more of a leftist tactic against corporate evils.

Cancel culture, by my understanding (and I know this will be shared) tends to be against individuals, usually workers with very little power and is when people will put there efforts towards destroying that persons life to silence them and to silence others who might quietly agree with the target. They will be attacked, shamed, harassed, ostracised, intimidated and isolated. Anything to remove them from any platform they might have any power over and keep their views out of the discourse. Perhaps this is most common in the arts, publishing and academia? But the point is to frighten people into submission. A few people taking exception to an advert isn't really going to dent Boots. Boots is a big powerful target. Cancel culture is usually directed towards powerless individuals as a warning.

Is Musk a participant in Cancel Culture? In what way? I see him as someone who altered the moderation policies on the main platform for it to allow freer discourse. He permits views which don't align with his own.

@B0xes they failed because they're just not popular. Because right wing ideals aren't popular enough to cancel people over.

Boots and Costa are not people? If I bother typing substantive posts for you, I don't expect you to agree but at least hope I'm addressing someone with the capacity to at least demonstrate that it was read and understood. You can disagree with the points raised, introduce others or go over something previous in more detail highlighting what you believe I haven't understood.

What are right wing ideals? Don't put male rapists in women's prisons? See, I think the vast majority of people ARE right wing then.

There might be something in that though. It is something done to the powerless by the powerful in a bid to maintain power. Is this an acknowledgement that the left have actually been in charge for the past decade?

Criticism of Labour has always been mainstream 24/7/365 as long as I can remember - and I'm old.
Whereas organising an online campaign to sack a college porter because he is gender critical strikes me as a much more recent development. A lot of us old socialists don't think it is the job of a trade union to sack people.

It broke with Facebook because Biden and his party have been directing Facebook this whole time. He gave evidence of this in court ages ago. This is just the next step.

And Twitter before Musk bought it. Again, all brought out in court and released in The Twitter Files.

God I was happy when she went and I’m not even in Scotland.

This. I would say he is a champion of free speech - yes he’s vociferous about those he disagrees with but who has he cancelled?

Trudeau went for a heck of a lot more than for cancel culture.

There certainly seems to be a backlash against it. After all, there was only so long that people would go with madness such as state sponsored mutilation of children, women’s safe spaces and sport being erased, corrupt ‘anti-racist’ propaganda being used to engage in corrupt practices. The list is endless the fact that anyone went along with it all is an unfathomable mystery.

Oh, that's an interesting way of looking at it. The only time I've ever really come across the term it was for another purpose, but there you go. Not a set of circumstances I want to discuss on here, sorry, as it had the worst possible outcome.

Apparently he's now canceling right wingers who he disagrees with on migration.