Cancel Culture, is it over?

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AIBU to think that the vibe has shifted? I think it has, something about Trudeau standing down seems to confirm this.

But I know there are still people (often those trying to engage in it) who say it never even was a thing. Was it?

Maybe it's still in full force. But it feels like something has changed. Does it take a while for everyone to realise?

Really? What is it you think she has done to warrant this?

Everybody I know loves JK Rowling, except for one person

I have lots of friends loathe JK Rowling. Thry cannot come up with one example of what she has said that’s anti-trans. They just spout things that she has said which are all about protecting women’s safe spaces from biological men, which when she’s a rape survivor herself I can see why she feels strongly. And as a women and a mother of girls, I thank fuck we have her going into bat for our safety.

How would you describe what happened to Kathleen Stock then. Are you saying nothing happened that could be categorised under any kind of social phenomenon or that what she suffered was fully justified.

I'm curious, because I genuinely believe people who deny "cancel culture" in broad terms are either naive/ignorant or are lying. And I'd like to think something more charitable than that.

"Cancel culture" is when left wing outrage (and sometimes related boycotts) leads to someone's career or business being impacted.

The right wing do it too, but that's (apparently) okay. It's (apparently) only cancel culture if the left do it.

Do you have any examples of right wing cancellings? I'm not saying it hasn't happened. Some say the Fosters boycott was an example of this, do you agree? The left have had the power to do it where the right didn't

@B0xes the thing is, the right wing ones often fail.

For example trying to boycott boots because they had a black woman in their Christmas advert didn't go very far. Or boycotting Costa because they had a flag on a store that could've been viewed to be trans friendly. Or cancelling the other countless brands.

I wouldn’t say it’s ended but being liberal will now pretty much end your business. Budlight and for example and about time too. There is only the uk lagging behind but we will soon catch up when everybody gets bored of having no money. Every liberal government is being removed one by one. Woke is over, cancel culture not so much.

I think there is an election Canada in October and Pierre Poilievre seems to be quite popular so may have a good chance of becoming the next Canadian pm. That and Trump winning is probably a sign that people’s politics have shifted more towards the right which I think could be a sign that cancel culture could be coming to an end. What happens in America often seems to filter over here eventually so I wouldn’t be surprised. I do feel like comedy has suffered because of cancel culture. Everyone wants to play it safe because they are scared of being cancelled.

I’ve never come across any right-wing cancelling so far. Feel free to give some examples though..

I'm on the other side of the pond, but the highest profile "canceling" I can think of was when Colin Kaepernick kneeled during the national anthem, to protest racism (which became symbolic of the BLM movement). The right wing were outraged at his "unpatriotic" actions (even Trump - as president - speaking up to call for kneeling players to be fired).

Kaepernick, despite being an excellent player, did not have his contract renewed and no other club was willing to sign him, due to right wing pressure, so he never played in the NFL again.

There are numerous examples of right wing boycotts of companies for being "too woke", and sometimes those companies have buckled. The phrase "go woke, go broke" being the usual rallying cry, from people who will also happily bemoan cancel culture.

Bud Light being boycotted for hiring a transgender spokesperson was a big, fairly recent one (notable for being egged on by right wing media who bemoan cancelling). Lots of drag queens have lost opportunities as a result of right wing protests and pressure.

It's all incredibly commonplace.

@HappyPanda613

[GC] sort of shattered the illusion I had that bigotry was exclusively the realm of white men.

Did you really think bigotry was exclusively the realm of white men? And you now think it’s exclusively the realm of white men plus GC feminists?

You have a remarkably eurocentric model of the world.

The Rape of Nanjing was, what, truly no better than the Chinese deserved? No bigotry in evidence?

The Rwandan genocidaires mere dumb puppets of the white man?

Caste-based discrimination in India is what, a foreign invention?

Yes, and about bloody time. Most people realised that the ones calling for this are either hypocrites or cuckoos like Trudeau types. So much was destroyed with that rubbish though. Some people should be ashamed of themselves. People and business went broke and some even committed suicide.

Surely everyone can agree that bud light deserved to have their arse handed to them for the piss-take of woman hood that was the DMaerobics routine.

You must hang out in very...specific circles then. Practically everyone I know supports her.

Wasn't that Nike, rather than BudLite?

They definitely deserved more heat. That was excruciating.

I think you'd have to not get out much and only read stuff that already backed your opinion if you thought only white men were bigoted. An extraordinary thought.

I came to the conclusion Sturgeon stood down because she knew the shit was going to hit the fan re the camper van, the arrests of Colin, Peter, NS herself and all those shenanigans.

We never had "cancel culture", what we had/have is a system of Social Credit.

People speak about China and how repressive their regime is, but ours is worse I think. Any of us can be filmed and the footage put on the Internet for all to judge, without context or understanding, just thousands of keyboard fanatics baying for blood. It's easier for establishments to side with the Xmob than it is for them to take a public position and risk thir own "credit".

How many of you are already biased towards certain groups or individuals? how many of you recognise that you would also grab your digital pitch fork to demand "justice for . . ."

I think the right wing use different tactics.

Go woke, go broke, is a real thing, a movement.

I think its getting worse, the right cancelling anything even vaguely seen as 'woke', whatever the fuck that means as it seems to cover anything that Trump might disagree with.

The whole of Social Media- X, Insta, Facebook all have their noses so far as Trumps ass , pulling back on moderation , its all going to become more of a cesspit (if that possible) and a dangerous place for kids, that all these tech firms pretend to give a shit about it, but never have.

Populism sells, its never been good for profits to be academic and careful.

Oh do give over. Perhaps if you'd been able to explain it better I might have been more interested.

I kind of know what you mean, OP. There's a shift to the right and away from cancel culture (unless it's women like Amber Heard or now Blake Lively), DEI, LGBTQ+ awareness months etc. more and more companies and governments seem to be getting rid of more liberal policies and culture.

I dislike some overly liberal policies but I don't think this pendulum swing will be a good thing!

Germaine Greer FFS - I'm still furious about that one

What's the difference between cancel culture and people not wanting to support someone whose actions you don't support?

Yup.

And one thing about right wing cancel culture, in the US at least, is that it's not just a grass roots thing, their politicians do it too.

Trump, while in office, called for NFL players "taking the knee" to be fired, called for boycotts of news outlets he doesn't like, has called for individual journalists to be fired, threatened to close down social media companies he deemed unaligned with him, called for boycotts of specific companies/products, etc etc etc.

Most people seem to only notice and take issue with "cancel culture" when they disagree with a particular instance of it.