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Royal Secrets

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Extiainoiapeial · 11/01/2025 20:11

Critics flag ‘worrying trend’ of keeping royal files under lock and key as thousands set for release to public

This should be interesting. A big cover up again, no doubt.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/11/fears-grow-over-censorship-of-secret-queen-elizabeth-and-philip-papers

The public have a right to know. Too much secrecy.

Fears grow over censorship of secret Queen Elizabeth and Philip papers

Critics flag ‘worrying trend’ of keeping royal files under lock and key as thousands set for release to public

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/11/fears-grow-over-censorship-of-secret-queen-elizabeth-and-philip-papers

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KnightsTemplar00 · 11/01/2025 22:15

MerryMaker · 11/01/2025 22:00

I would agree if all they did was have the working royals at events. But they do not. They wheel out their kids, talk about their love for their spouse, tell the public about parts of their private life. If you do that, you do not only get to dictate that only positive things you like can be talked about.

True but you can do all that you can to maintain an image and prevent slanderous gossip etc

Extiainoiapeial · 11/01/2025 22:15

Solent123 · 11/01/2025 22:14

So other than affairs and didn't KC famously say if he didn't have a mistress he'd be the first POW not to do so, and of course Andrew's erm not so secrets is there anything else? seems if there was the press would have leaked it by now.

Follow the money! 🤣

So much we don't know

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KnightsTemplar00 · 11/01/2025 22:18

Tomatotater · 11/01/2025 21:51

How are they rich privately though? They barely work, they are hardly the brightest bulbs, despite the best education money can buy. They are rich because they are members of the RF, and that money has been taken from the British people at some point in history. Eventually, if they werent members of the RF, their children would have to sell the stately home because they would have to find the money to pay their own maintenance costs. None of them wants to leave the RF or abolish it otherwise they would find a way.

Not quite, back in the day due to the political events etc they had the duchies setup and believe it or not they at some point offered the duchies to the govt of the day but because at the time the duchies lands were swamps and not valuable but now because the lands are valuable some people think how dare they have these duchies lands,

Angrymum22 · 11/01/2025 22:20

ARainyNightInSoho · 11/01/2025 22:07

@Angrymum22 I think you have misunderstood this thread. Not one person has said that members of the royal family shouldn’t be able to love who they want. I totally agree that they should and I pass no judgement whatsoever if any of them have affairs.

The point many of us are making is that we don’t think here should censorship, not that the royal family shouldn’t love who they want.

I presumed that the OP was referring to PP alleged discretions which were alluded to in “The Crown”. I’m not a follower of the RF but I as I said they no doubt have had to “hide” activities of some members in the past, which may have involved government, forces and the police and for which documents will exist.

If it has no bearing on the country today is there any point in releasing information, unless you make your money writing, blogging or investigating scandal.

Millions of pounds have been made off the back of certain royals, some have tried to benefit financially but for the most it is the writers who make their fortune on gossip and conspiracy.

Extiainoiapeial · 11/01/2025 22:21

They don't own the Duchies. Everyone should read this, it explains it well

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/05/who-owns-and-profits-from-the-duchies-of-lancaster-and-cornwall-timeline

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JudgeJ · 11/01/2025 22:23

Solent123 · 11/01/2025 22:14

So other than affairs and didn't KC famously say if he didn't have a mistress he'd be the first POW not to do so, and of course Andrew's erm not so secrets is there anything else? seems if there was the press would have leaked it by now.

Only the men seem to be getting mentioned................

Solent123 · 11/01/2025 22:24

JudgeJ · 11/01/2025 22:23

Only the men seem to be getting mentioned................

Oh.... is there tea on Anne?

LunaDeBallona · 11/01/2025 22:25

Extiainoiapeial · 11/01/2025 21:04

I don't agree, sorry!

Whenever we pay for something there should be some element of transparency.

No one would want to be in their positions, I agree. And the fact the young Wales children are being lined up for this is really akin to something I can't put into words.

The only thing that we, the taxpayer , pay for is their security. Do you really begrudge them that and do you really think there should be full transparency on their security which? Wouldn’t that rather defect the point of it if every nutter/terrorist could simply do an FOI request?

KnightsTemplar00 · 11/01/2025 22:25

Extiainoiapeial · 11/01/2025 22:21

They don't own the Duchies. Everyone should read this, it explains it well

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/05/who-owns-and-profits-from-the-duchies-of-lancaster-and-cornwall-timeline

The assertion that the monarch and the heir apparent do not "own" the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall is accurate within the framework of British constitutional law. These duchies are legally defined as "Crown bodies," existing to provide income to the reigning sovereign and the heir to the throne. While they are managed separately from other Crown assets, they are not considered personal property that can be sold or disposed of at will.

The Duchy of Cornwall, established in 1337 by Edward III, was created to provide independence to his son and heir, Prince Edward. The estate has never encompassed the entire county of Cornwall; a significant portion of its holdings lies outside the county. The Duchy maintains a special relationship with Cornwall, holding certain rights and responsibilities, including ownership of the foreshore and riverbed in Cornwall and parts of south Devon.

Similarly, the Duchy of Lancaster's primary purpose is to provide income for the Sovereign as Duke of Lancaster. The management and control of the Duchy of Cornwall are entirely separate from that of the Duchy of Lancaster.

Recent investigations have highlighted the substantial revenues generated by these duchies. For instance, King Charles and Prince William have been reported to profit significantly from their private estates, with funds sourced from various public bodies, including the NHS, state-funded schools, and the British Armed Forces. These revelations have sparked debate over the ethical and financial management of these royal estates.

In summary, while the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall are not personally owned by the monarch or the heir apparent, they serve as significant sources of private income for these figures. The distinction between personal ownership and the constitutional role of these estates is nuanced, contributing to ongoing public discourse regarding their status and the revenues they generate.

Rainbowscakes · 11/01/2025 22:26

Honestly who cares what they get up to?

Extiainoiapeial · 11/01/2025 22:26

LunaDeBallona · 11/01/2025 22:25

The only thing that we, the taxpayer , pay for is their security. Do you really begrudge them that and do you really think there should be full transparency on their security which? Wouldn’t that rather defect the point of it if every nutter/terrorist could simply do an FOI request?

I would really really like to know how disclosing the amount of money spent on security would enable every nutter to target them

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mainecooncatonahottinroof · 11/01/2025 22:27

ARainyNightInSoho · 11/01/2025 20:17

When I have mentioned the name of the person concerned and their relationship to the royal family I have been deleted. Perhaps it is different now that two of the people involved are no longer alive.

I am fairly sure this is to do with Prince Phillip’s long term serious relationship with another woman.

There is no evidence of that so far as I am aware.

Extiainoiapeial · 11/01/2025 22:27

@KnightsTemplar00

Thank you for that. The article I linked echoes that

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ARainyNightInSoho · 11/01/2025 22:28

@Solent123 the press can’t report what they know about the RF because they presumably have taken out injunctions or D notices or whatever else it is that, for example, leads to posts being automatically hidden on here.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 11/01/2025 22:28

Rainbowscakes · 11/01/2025 22:26

Honestly who cares what they get up to?

^ This!

They live in goldfish bowl in the first place. So long as they aren't getting up to anything illegal or fraudulent, then I don't care.

Extiainoiapeial · 11/01/2025 22:28

Rainbowscakes · 11/01/2025 22:26

Honestly who cares what they get up to?

As a citizen of Great Britain, I do actually

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mainecooncatonahottinroof · 11/01/2025 22:28

Extiainoiapeial · 11/01/2025 22:28

As a citizen of Great Britain, I do actually

And what difference is it going to make to your life?

Extiainoiapeial · 11/01/2025 22:29

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 11/01/2025 22:28

^ This!

They live in goldfish bowl in the first place. So long as they aren't getting up to anything illegal or fraudulent, then I don't care.

Ummm.... I daren't mention Andrew...

And that's what we know about

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KnightsTemplar00 · 11/01/2025 22:29

Extiainoiapeial · 11/01/2025 22:26

I would really really like to know how disclosing the amount of money spent on security would enable every nutter to target them

At a guess, if you know the prices you can match up the likely teams and personal they have, presuming the prices are similar for security etc so it adds to strategic information

Extiainoiapeial · 11/01/2025 22:30

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 11/01/2025 22:28

And what difference is it going to make to your life?

A huge difference actually. But if you don't get that, it's really no point in me explaining why

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ARainyNightInSoho · 11/01/2025 22:31

@mainecooncatonahottinroof i also don’t care what the RF do. At all. But I do care that ordinary subjects like us are monitored to make sure we don’t mention it.

ThDanielDay · 11/01/2025 22:31

From the outside it's absolutely mental that you guys as a nation put up with this bunch of racist, paedophile enabling, above the law, born to rule fuckers and even venerate some of them and act like they're of the people because someone claimed they quite liked Paddington.

Although being from Ireland we did the same with Catholicism

LunaDeBallona · 11/01/2025 22:31

Extiainoiapeial · 11/01/2025 22:21

They don't own the Duchies. Everyone should read this, it explains it well

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/05/who-owns-and-profits-from-the-duchies-of-lancaster-and-cornwall-timeline

I think you would find that if the country decided to become a republic then the Duchy of Lancaster would go with them. It was never created and built to finance the royals unlike the Duchy of Cornwall. It only became a royal duchy because of the woman who owned it in her own right married the third son of a king.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 11/01/2025 22:32

ARainyNightInSoho · 11/01/2025 21:05

I have been on MN nearly 20 years, I enjoy it and don’t want to get banned so I won’t mention her name again. It’s just fairly incredible how something which was a very open secret is banned from public discourse. Just awful.

Anyway, you can find out who she is fairly easily by googling,

Well if that was the case, the Queen was a mightily understanding woman, because she was also friends with her, and she was one of a very few at his small funeral.

I don't believe a word of it.

mainecooncatonahottinroof · 11/01/2025 22:33

ARainyNightInSoho · 11/01/2025 22:31

@mainecooncatonahottinroof i also don’t care what the RF do. At all. But I do care that ordinary subjects like us are monitored to make sure we don’t mention it.

I don't care about that either. I have actual, real concerns in life.