To send them home? (trigger warning grooming gangs)

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The Rape and Grooming scandal is blowing up on twitter/social media and the extent of the scandal is actually mind boggling. Apparently up to 250,000 girls may have been affected 😱

This initially shocked me but when I thought of it, although I’m based in a rural area I know of two girls who have been caught up in it - one of whom in my class at school was raped in a park aged around thirteen and another family friends daughter found naked in a room with a group of adult men at the age of 14 and was blamed for leading them all on. Those living in towns/cities must see so much more of this?!

I’ve also heard today that Pakistan is willing to take back criminals convicted in the Uk of these crimes (UK-Pakistan Prisoner treaty agreement) and has been for a number of years but we’re not sending them back. I know not all perpetrators are Pakistani and not all Pakistani men are capable of such evil (and I work with plenty of decent Pakistani men), but of those who are convicted and born there why on earth are they still here in the UK if we can remove them as a danger from our society and their home country is willing to take them?

In have two daughters and I’m honestly terrified for their future given this significant threat to young girls in this country. It seems like no one cares enough to rock the boat.

YABU - No they should remain here and we should deal with it
YANBU - They should be sent back

Sorry I was posting in SUPPORT of YOU. Why am I ignorant??

You answered your own question, surely.

Please don't pollute the thread with actual facts!

Boom, arent you funny.

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I’m so so sorry, I read your comment and incorrectly thought it was sarcastic 🤦🏻‍♀️ I take it back!

To be fair, the original source of the claim was former CPS chief prosecutor Nazir Afzal, who was appointed by Keir Starmer. Is Nazir Afzal far-right?

(From the BBC Verify link up thread);
The original unfounded claim about a Home Office circular to police seems to stem from an interview Nazir Afzal - the former Crown Prosecution Service chief prosecutor for north-west England - gave to the BBC on 19 October 2018. He now admits that he had not seen any such circular himself, despite apparently stating its existence as fact.

Whistleblower Maggie Oliver also repeated the claim in several recent interviews
Is she far-right as well?

Ms Oliver said that she based her claim on what Mr Afzal said.

Debate, clearly.

Yes and he clarified it all on Twitter last week. Screenshots for those not on the hellsite:

It is estimated that about 7 per cent of grooming suspects in 2023 were of Pakistani heritage, said Fewkes. British Pakistanis comprise 2.7 per cent of the population in England and Wales.

I always wonder where the loud community leaders go when things like this come to light. Why aren’t they telling their communities to stop?

Anyone committing a serious crime in a country not their own should be deported. Regardless of skin colour or ethnicity.

Anyone who has gained an additional citizenship should have that new citizenship revoked and then be deported. Regardless of skin colour or ethnicity.

Anyone committing a serious crime in their own country should be dealt with in the country and serve their time. Regardless of skin colour or ethnicity.

I don’t know why this is so difficult.

The girls and boys are afraid to report because of the extreme violence threats made against them personally and their families.

There needs to be total support and protection offered to these victims.

Many of them have been let down by the CPS and left to the mercy of the perpetrators and they don’t trust the system to protect them.

The Sky data isn't very helpful as half of the perpetrators are children;

Children aged 10-17 accounted for 48% of group-based abuse suspects, while adult perpetrators made up 43%. One in ten suspects of group-based child abuse were aged under 10.

The other fact I can't prove but I strongly suspect is that most of the groomers (asian and white alike) and rapists are either gangsters or shady businessmen. On the whole they are not ordinary law-abiding citizens. They may therefore have significant resources with which to bribe or intimidate the police.

Yeh, I've always wondered why when my local councillor is taking initiatives to prevent crime, has he not tried telling the criminals to stop??

@WaryPeer

Where is your first table from with the percentages? The columns do not add up to 100% so does not really make sense - where did you see it originally please?

I read the Jay report when it came out. It depicts a situation so far from what I thought was normal that I felt like I was reading science fiction. It was the single most horrific thing I have ever read about Britain. It ended with Professor Jay pointing out that the abuse was still continuing in the same town in the same way literally as she was writing.
She wrote that she couldn't tell if the rapists were of Pakistani origin most of the time because the police had not recorded the ethnicity of the abusers. Not only that the police hadn't asked the men in the cars or in the houses with the children any questions at all, like what's your name, why are you with this child, why are you driving this child away from their school? And so on.
Our country has a much bigger problem than whether or not to deport criminals. We need to look at our values and the way we consider some children and adults to be lesser beings and how power protects abusers and how institutions protect abusers. It reminds me of the point that tv show Line of Duty makes, corruption is systematic its not one bad apple or even 20,000 bad apples.
The abuse of children especially girls and violence against women and girls is not a sort of niche interest its at the heart of how our society organises itself. It reflects back at us our values. Madame Pelicot made the same point at her husbands trial, we must look at things differently the shame needs to move from one side to the other.

Since he now admits that it never happened, continuing to spread the misinformation would seem to have an obvious political motive. I can't say what his original motive for lying was, but it now seems rather irrelevant.

Great post. Thank you.

If the police arrested and charged them instead of the victims they wouldn’t be doing it.

He probably said what he believed to be true at the time - plus how many people have seen the correction?

We need to look at our values and the way we consider some children and adults to be lesser beings

Totally agree.

What's the quote from The Responder?

“I did a good thing – just a thing for somebody who normally doesn’t matter.”
“Everyone matters,”
“They really don’t,”

I don't doubt some local police may have been reluctant to pursue Asian gangs, and may well have given perceived racism as a reason. Although the real reason may have been that they were receiving bribes from said gangsters. But there is no evidence whatever that not pursuing asian rapists has ever been a national policy.

I'm sorry if you think I was virtue signalling, that's absolutely not my attention. Of course I blame the police, councils etc for what has happened, the cover ups are unforgivable. I'm not going to try to explain my point any further as I don't want to offend anyone.

Sometimes it just has to be said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35353310

But really it needs to come from inside the communities.